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A cosmic Intelligence

Post by LoneBear » Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:20 pm

This is from a "cosmic intelligence" in the book, "The Council of Seven Lights":
Never have I set a pattern to lead you all astray,
Any fear you feel, O man, you make along the way...

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Re: A cosmic Intelligence

Post by Arcelius » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:25 am

I think this ties in a few threads on the board. Basically, the world is the way it is because that is what we have created. The cosmic intelligences have no need to punish us and have no wish to do so. We do that quite effectively on our own. We are living in our own nightmare that we have created ourselves. The way out doesn't reside in technology or even in revolution. Even if we do achieve freedom by some definition, we will just re-create the same things again in a different way with the same results.

The way to freedom begins with the individual (not with any collective). Can you identify your own demons and resolve them? That is the way to stop creating the nightmares. When enough people resolve their own demons, then perhaps the world itself will start showing the changes as we start creating new things. This is the pattern.

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Re: A cosmic Intelligence

Post by LoneBear » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:30 pm

Arcelius wrote:Even if we do achieve freedom by some definition, we will just re-create the same things again in a different way with the same results.
I just finished reading some books on 6000 years of history and conflict between religious and political ideals. The same conditions just repeat, over and over, every few centuries. Usually it starts with a religious revelation like, "hey, what if we be nice to each other and work together for the common good?" That person is normally ethical, gets put in to a position of power, upholds his ideals and the community thrives. Then his kids take over, and the situation degenerates over a few generations, until it's back to a feudal structure with the nobility taking everything and not providing basic services. Then the revolution comes and it starts again. I'm amazed that mankind does not seem to have learned anything in all that time. It is like there is some force that constantly renews the supply of greedy, self-centered jerks every couple of centuries.

Gopi gave me an article to read in the Rudolf Steiner archives: The Reappearance of Christ in the Etheric.

It discusses the possibility that this situation may not be accidental, but deliberately contrived in "brotherhoods" (secret societies) that use spiritual science to direct people towards materialism by trapping souls on Earth, and using them as a kind of "spiritual battery." (Then denying that there is any form of spirituality--despite they use it).

I was already aware that Native America shamans had the ability to bind souls to Earth upon their death. I've experienced it in South Dakota with spirits bound to places of massacre. I think it is an abominable practice, myself. I did not previously consider the scale of what Steiner is talking about here. Considering when he wrote this (1917) is it remarkably accurate, predicting the rise of materialism and the denial of the spiritual. We're not talking 50 Lakota here, but hundreds of thousands of bound spirits, focused on a materialistic world view. And this has been going on for at least 300 years now, here in America.

After considering this, I tend to agree with Steiner's perspective. It is not the muggles that continually recreate the system--it is the nature of life to evolve. It is an externally applied force, these brotherhoods Steiner speaks of, that may be restraining the process. And where there is strain, there is eventually fracture.

I was thinking about the mechanism that binds a spirit to Earth, to prevent it from entering the reincarnation cycle or to ascend. I know from research and experience that most spirits are aromavores, they seek out aromas that they are familiar with. Food, of course, is the largest source of aroma, followed closely by liquor odors and tobacco smoke. The desire to continue these aromatic interactions keeps a spirit tied to a location. And those seem to be highly promoted in Western cultures.

Steiner also points out how materialism will take on the guise of spirituality, and describes exactly what is happening in the New Age and Wanderer communities--all the fluff and no substance.

His solution was the study of spiritual science, which I agree with in concept (not the specific study of Anthroposophy, but the study of the spirit through intelligence). It is curious... most people are afraid to jump in to the deep end of the spiritual pool for fear of drowning, yet the deep end is designed to prevent just that--people only drown in the shallow end, where it appears the safest!

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Re: A cosmic Intelligence

Post by Arcelius » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:03 pm

LoneBear wrote:It discusses the possibility that this situation may not be accidental, but deliberately contrived in "brotherhoods" (secret societies) that use spiritual science to direct people towards materialism by trapping souls on Earth, and using them as a kind of "spiritual battery." (Then denying that there is any form of spirituality--despite they use it).
This is black magic at its best (or worst). The spiritual battery is being used to continue the system and the "brotherhoods" are the only ones who benefit though they only really benefit materially. They refuse to evolve themselves and they prevent (or try to prevent) others from doing so. If mankind were to decide to gain polarity, this system would be fairly immediately upset and would fail. It works because most of mankind doesn't want to make the choice (the 3D one).

I seem to recall a thread discussing some souls leaving the Earth and how some could sense this. If enough of the bound spirits are freed (or deliberately moved elsewhere), then that battery will run out. When it does, then perhaps the brotherhoods will lose control and perhaps things will get back on track.

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Re: A cosmic Intelligence

Post by LoneBear » Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:24 pm

Arcelius wrote:If enough of the bound spirits are freed (or deliberately moved elsewhere), then that battery will run out. When it does, then perhaps the brotherhoods will lose control and perhaps things will get back on track.
That thought had occurred to me... but going to have to research the techniques THEY use to understand how they are binding the etheric body. And those are kept rather secret, as one might guess. An analysis of marketing techniques indicates that it might be an extension of Mesmer's research, which is discounted as nonsense by the "experts"--which is a good clue to start looking there.

(Though it would be a lot of fun to discharge that battery, release all those souls back into the karmic reincarnation cycle, and see what happens.)

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Re: A cosmic Intelligence

Post by daniel » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:12 am

LoneBear wrote:That thought had occurred to me... but going to have to research the techniques THEY use to understand how they are binding the etheric body. And those are kept rather secret, as one might guess.
I find it interesting that when studying the Reciprocal System, half the universe is coordinate time (the cosmic sector)--unseen and cannot be directly measured. Yet, its presence so simplifies the tangible universe in describing its operation. If one were to accept coordinate time, then one must also accept the natural consequences of it... that we only see half of what is out there, and the unseen half is responsible for altering our material existence through unseen forces--electric and magnetic fields.

Since magnetic and charged objects can manipulate other objects at a distance with no physical connection, it is reasonable to assume that the life unit has analogous structures, jing, qi and shen, that can also manipulate other living structures at a distance with no physical connection.

If the Reciprocal System were widely known and accepted, the "secret" would be out--science would have to accept the coordinate time realm, and the consequences that there are ways to manipulate life and consciousness at a distance, by using the rules of that realm.
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Found the battery

Post by LoneBear » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:57 pm

Arcelius wrote:If enough of the bound spirits are freed (or deliberately moved elsewhere), then that battery will run out. When it does, then perhaps the brotherhoods will lose control and perhaps things will get back on track.
I believe I may have found the "battery," hidden in plain sight.

There aren't many ways to bind a soul to stay on Earth. Binding is an attractive principle, so it would have to be a "positive" emotion--the soul of the deceased will easily bind to someone they love for quite some time. But "love" tends to be too focused. Looking at Plutchik's emotional correspond chart, one would have to use the strongest of the emotional responses. The choices are:

Terror, Amazement, Grief, Loathing, Rage, Vigilance and Ecstasy.

Many of these are already seen to earthbound souls. Terror, the web of fear, is described in the Ra Material. Amazement and vigilance come from dedication to complete a specific goal. Grief from the loss of associations (live or inanimate), Rage is not as much as a binding, but more a blocking--souls that are enraged upon death cannot leave until the rage subsides. That leaves: Ecstacy.

What are the primary sources of the ecstatic experience these days: sex and drugs. What is approximately 80% of all internet traffic concern? Sex and drugs. What is 99% of marketing tools directed at? Sex and drugs. And by "sex" I actually mean pornography, not the actual act but the desire for it. Desire creates binding. Pornography is not "natural" in the sense of existing in nature. You can't go into the forest and find old calendars of the "10 Sexiest Squirrels for 2011" laying around on the ground. Nature actually prefers having sex, rather than just thinking about it.

You don't have to "buy" sex--it is part of the biological organism. But you DO have to buy pornography. You can have a natural, spiritual experience--or buy a drug to emulate it. This seems to be how to connect the ecstatic desires to materialism, by creating an "artificial reality" to supercede the "natural reality" that is based in commerce and the rules are created by man, not nature.

In order to continually view pornography after death, the soul would have to voluntarily stay connected to the material realm--the desire to stay will hold them there and keep them from entering either the cycle of reincarnation or ascension--by their own free will. And the desire for sex is very strong. Would make for a strong "battery."

I'm not sure how the battery is actually used. Many of the dark arts involves "sex magic", which may be how the energetic desire is transferred from the souls to the physical as bioenergy (qi, ch'i or prana), that can then be manipulated in the physical or etheric realms.

This battery does have its limitations, namely it only works when the soul is still voluntarily connected to the physical. From my research, I have been able to identify 13 stages to the life-death transition. Once a soul moves past the first three stages, I do not believe there is sufficient impetus for the material desires to continue on, and they will be abandoned.

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Re: Found the battery

Post by Arcelius » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:16 pm

LoneBear wrote:Many of these are already seen to earthbound souls. Terror, the web of fear, is described in the Ra Material.
Aside from that, terror may also be used to bind to the material world. There are 2 sides to the attractive principle. The other side is to repel. It is possible to bind spirits to the earth and it is also possible to trap them here because they are too afraid to move on. At the risk of another discussion around what religion and spirituality are, I might suggest that "fire and brimstone" religion may fall into that category.
LoneBear wrote:Desire creates binding. Pornography is not "natural" in the sense of existing in nature. You can't go into the forest and find old calendars of the "10 Sexiest Squirrels for 2011" laying around on the ground. Nature actually prefers having sex, rather than just thinking about it.
This comes from our ability to manipulate symbols. While a very useful one, the map is not the territory. The porn map doesn't really go anywhere useful. In fact, it can lead to a disinterest in having sex since it cannot ever meet with one's expectations.
LoneBear wrote:But you DO have to buy pornography. You can have a natural, spiritual experience--or buy a drug to emulate it. This seems to be how to connect the ecstatic desires to materialism, by creating an "artificial reality" to supercede the "natural reality" that is based in commerce and the rules are created by man, not nature.
Because they are made by man, they are controlled by man. Look at this recent article: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/05/28/ ... g-sea.html. If the sea is going to rise by 1 meter (39 inches roughly), then it will rise by 1m. Passing laws about it will not change whether or not the sea will rise.
LoneBear wrote:And the desire for sex is very strong. Would make for a strong "battery."
The desire for porn can be much greater than the desire for sex. Thus, an even stronger battery.
LoneBear wrote:Many of the dark arts involves "sex magic"
And/or blood magic (death or dying, sacrifices). A dying person or animal who wishes to remain alive releases a lot of energy in the process.
LoneBear wrote:which may be how the energetic desire is transferred from the souls to the physical as bioenergy (qi, ch'i or prana), that can then be manipulated in the physical or etheric realms.
I think the focus is more on the etheric realms than the physical. It goes further.
LoneBear wrote:This battery does have its limitations, namely it only works when the soul is still voluntarily connected to the physical.
"Voluntarily" means different things to different people. For example, it can mean that the soul can't figure out how to disconnect rather than strictly meaning that the soul truly wishes to remain. Those using the black arts often don't have high ethical standards and "volunteers" can be easily found.

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Re: Found the battery

Post by LoneBear » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:24 pm

Your points are well taken.
Arcelius wrote:"Voluntarily" means different things to different people. For example, it can mean that the soul can't figure out how to disconnect rather than strictly meaning that the soul truly wishes to remain. Those using the black arts often don't have high ethical standards and "volunteers" can be easily found.
You know, "voluntary" is a key aspect. If these souls were being forced into service against their free will, the Guardians would step in and do something about it. Obviously they have not, so there must not be any violation of free will here.

People are often tricked into voluntary servitude and do not even realize they have consented to an action. (The concept of implied consent.) Then there are those that are willing servants, where the major religions and sciences come in.

So, is there a way to inform the bound souls of their implied consent, and get them to "just say no"?

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Re: Found the battery

Post by Arcelius » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:10 pm

LoneBear wrote:So, is there a way to inform the bound souls of their implied consent, and get them to "just say no"?
I believe so. One can make use of the same sort of trickery in order to get the volunteers to change their minds. That is perhaps the easiest solution though it won't really help the volunteers out in the long term (or even really in the shorter terms).

A more ethical solution might involve trying to education them or get them to understand what is being done to them. However, this would require the volunteers to want to learn and understand (and also to change). This will likely result in more permanent changes in a person though it will likely only work here (i.e. on Earth) in the minority of cases.

In either of the above cases, the other side will fight against any efforts. I also believe that there is another possibility based on the Kheb path.

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Re: Found the battery

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Arcelius wrote:One can make use of the same sort of trickery...
A more ethical solution might involve trying to education them...
In either of the above cases, the other side will fight against any efforts. I also believe that there is another possibility based on the Kheb path.
So, STS, STO or "other."

If either the STS or STO approach is used, trickery or education, there will be karma generated.

I would suspect the Kheb way would be more along the lines of "show by example." There is an old computer game I like to play called "Civilization." In one of the more recent releases, the computer runs a number of Nation-States that act independently from the players. But... if you have a thriving civilization and your people are happy, many times those Nation-States will join with you to get that better life.

I was thinking of something along these lines. The transition realms are a lot more "visible" in terms of ethics than the mortal realm is. People that are not just educated, but living a more natural life with the goal of transmigration of soul (ascension) would be one of those conditions that other entities would spot--and they, without any type of trickery or coaching, would start to emulate the behavior to get a better after-death situation. Was thinking that this would be the way to approach it, as you do not violate free will and there are no karmic repercussions. (My "staying out of the headlights" analogy.)

What do you think?

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Re: Found the battery

Post by Arcelius » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:32 pm

LoneBear wrote:If either the STS or STO approach is used, trickery or education, there will be karma generated.
Also, on either approach, karma is supposed to help you. Therefore, acquiring karma isn't considered all that bad. It is a way of generating momentum along either the STO or STS paths. It is only after "the train" is moving faster and faster that people start considering how to slow down or at least how they are going make the next turn.
LoneBear wrote:Was thinking that this would be the way to approach it, as you do not violate free will and there are no karmic repercussions. (My "staying out of the headlights" analogy.)

What do you think?
I agree that free will isn't violated and karmic interactions are minimal. However, emulating the behaviour isn't the same as following the path. You can't follow someone else and walk the Kheb path. While there are still many benefits as you have noted, there is still a 2-class system afterwards. Perhaps there is no way out of that.

Consciousness and life is full of cycles. When binding or trapping someone or something, you are arresting the natural flow through one or more of these cycles. It is not necessary to know how the binding or trapping took place or how it was done exactly. Sometimes all one needs to know is how to get the cycle moving again. The machinery of the universe is no respecter of persons. It grinds away regardless. When the binding or trapping is connected with that machinery in order to get the cycle moving again, no amount of white or black magic can stop it.

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Arcelius wrote:I agree that free will isn't violated and karmic interactions are minimal. However, emulating the behaviour isn't the same as following the path. You can't follow someone else and walk the Kheb path. While there are still many benefits as you have noted, there is still a 2-class system afterwards. Perhaps there is no way out of that.
Kheb is more of a "lead by example", not "follow the leader" system. Anytime you start to manipulate then you fall into the leader trap. The only clean solution I can see is to demonstrate that there is another, viable path, and leave it up to those souls to take the first step on their own.
Arcelius wrote:When binding or trapping someone or something, you are arresting the natural flow through one or more of these cycles. It is not necessary to know how the binding or trapping took place or how it was done exactly. Sometimes all one needs to know is how to get the cycle moving again.
The difficulty there is that there is not a single crank to turn--there are many, and like Vir's "currents", you cannot tell one from the other, unless you go inside a person's psyche and look to see how they have laid things out. And once you've done that, then your conscious presence has changed their landscape, and you become responsible for them.

Most of entrapment seems to be based on desire. So is escape.
Arcelius wrote:The machinery of the universe is no respecter of persons. It grinds away regardless.
I do not agree with that. In my experience, the Universe is highly respectful of persons, and always willing to help--if your intent is clear. That might actually be a simpler solution--explain it to Nature, and let Nature run its course.

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Re: Found the battery

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LoneBear wrote:The difficulty there is that there is not a single crank to turn--there are many, and like Vir's "currents", you cannot tell one from the other, unless you go inside a person's psyche and look to see how they have laid things out. And once you've done that, then your conscious presence has changed their landscape, and you become responsible for them.

Most of entrapment seems to be based on desire. So is escape.
This is not what I meant. I was not referring to cycles within a person. It is not necessary to go within another in order to do what I refer to. Therefore, there is no presence to change another and no direct responsibility or karma.
LoneBear wrote:I do not agree with that. In my experience, the Universe is highly respectful of persons, and always willing to help--if your intent is clear. That might actually be a simpler solution--explain it to Nature, and let Nature run its course.
The Universe including Nature (and the seen and unseen worlds) is built upon what I refer to as the machinery. I believe it is possible through the Kheb path to access this machinery while the STO/STS paths never glimpse it.

You can explain something to Nature and let Nature run its course. Of course, others can explain different things to Nature and hope that those will also run their courses. If Nature will respect you more than others, then you'll win. It will still be a battle of sorts though and both the STS and STO paths engage in this frequently.

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Re: A cosmic Intelligence

Post by Gopi » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:32 pm

Arcelius wrote:The Universe including Nature (and the seen and unseen worlds) is built upon what I refer to as the machinery. I believe it is possible through the Kheb path to access this machinery while the STO/STS paths never glimpse it.
Actually the "machinery" you are describing IS the view of the Service to Self path, and underlies most of its thought. The concept of "being built upon it" included.

It is not that tough to see how one identifies the way the two sides work, not only is there a polarity, but also a direction. On the one side you have the Always-Do-The-Right-Thing type of mentality, which is basically pulling man upwards before he is ready for it. Here the path is already set out, by someone else, or some set of instructions, "all" you have to do is walk on it. You are here, the path is there, there is little or no self transformation, no struggle, but merely obedience, perhaps to your Higher Self. And the pull of this is in the upward direction, bloating one's ego no end, and giving a basic feeling of superiority all around, most of the time acting in very subtle ways. All impulses are automatically divine, and full of meaning, etc etc. All the human being has to do is pretend he has all the solutions... and become a premature god, awash in half-developed feelings on which the actions are based.

On the other hand you have the dragging force downward... where man is an animal. No, actually he is just another living being... or really, a machine. If the Service to Others was oriented towards superiority, here all the justification is the laws of the animal kingdom, machines, or to go down even further, as neural electricity. Here again, there is no sense in putting any effort at organizing the emotions, because it is "all hormones", or in thinking properly, because it is "all neurons". The attempt is done to reduce everything to a basic denominator... and there is the problem, because the denominator has no limit! In this area, feelings are not merely un-organized, they are just denied, because, after all they are "nothing but *something on the lower strata*". Everything other than the working of the machine is lopped off, because that is all that we can really grasp with our current logic in our current age... for the understanding of living beings requires a certain amount of intuition.

It is obviously not the case that one has to avoid both, but it does require some understanding to deal with events properly. In some cases one has to build upwards, in others one has to build down to things. In case of the machine, the reductionist IS required, and in the dealing with people, warmth is naturally required.
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Re: A cosmic Intelligence

Post by Arcelius » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:14 am

Gopi wrote:Actually the "machinery" you are describing IS the view of the Service to Self path, and underlies most of its thought. The concept of "being built upon it" included.
Perhaps. I agree that the STS path does have this viewpoint. I also note that this viewpoint is part of the Universe (and not the only part). It seems to me that through the Kheb path, that one can see this aspect (and others) more clearly or a bit further along than those just on the STS path. The same would apply to the STO path. The target of the Kheb path being beyond where either the STS or STO paths can go on their own.
Gopi wrote:It is not that tough to see how one identifies the way the two sides work, not only is there a polarity, but also a direction. On the one side you have the Always-Do-The-Right-Thing type of mentality, which is basically pulling man upwards before he is ready for it. Here the path is already set out, by someone else, or some set of instructions, "all" you have to do is walk on it. You are here, the path is there, there is little or no self transformation, no struggle, but merely obedience, perhaps to your Higher Self. And the pull of this is in the upward direction, bloating one's ego no end, and giving a basic feeling of superiority all around, most of the time acting in very subtle ways. All impulses are automatically divine, and full of meaning, etc etc. All the human being has to do is pretend he has all the solutions... and become a premature god, awash in half-developed feelings on which the actions are based.
Do you compose poetry Gopi? If not, I think you would be very good at it. You have a way with words.

There was a time of my life when this would have described me very well. I cannot say that this is no longer a part of me either. While I hope to have navigated through this successfully, I have my doubts whether I have achieved a proper or reasonable balance.
Gopi wrote:On the other hand you have the dragging force downward... where man is an animal. No, actually he is just another living being... or really, a machine. If the Service to Others was oriented towards superiority, here all the justification is the laws of the animal kingdom, machines, or to go down even further, as neural electricity. Here again, there is no sense in putting any effort at organizing the emotions, because it is "all hormones", or in thinking properly, because it is "all neurons". The attempt is done to reduce everything to a basic denominator... and there is the problem, because the denominator has no limit! In this area, feelings are not merely un-organized, they are just denied, because, after all they are "nothing but *something on the lower strata*". Everything other than the working of the machine is lopped off, because that is all that we can really grasp with our current logic in our current age... for the understanding of living beings requires a certain amount of intuition.
I remember an episode of Babylon 5 where one of the psychics was involved with some experiments in order to improve their powers. They kept going finer and finer through different layers. Then this psychic caught a glimpse of the end goal and how his power would be used. So he killed the experimenter, destroyed all data related to the experiments and fled to Babylon 5 where he almost destroyed the station and everyone on board. In this episode, the denominator did have a limit (or at least that's how it was portrayed or how I remember it being portrayed). At the end, the psychic left and perhaps found another set of denominators to pursue.

Is it possible that both approaches can be worked on at the same time and combined? In some sense, this would result in a larger size though not necessarily in a strictly spatial sense. Perhaps it could result in growing both spatially and temporarily in balance. Is this possible (thinking of RS/2 theory)? Is it a desirable or useful state? Many things are possible but certainly not all are worth doing.
Gopi wrote:It is obviously not the case that one has to avoid both, but it does require some understanding to deal with events properly. In some cases one has to build upwards, in others one has to build down to things. In case of the machine, the reductionist IS required, and in the dealing with people, warmth is naturally required.
Thank-you for your very thoughtful reply.

For released those that are trapped, I am thinking that building downwards is most appropriate. However, once they are freed, building upwards is better. Though they may easily leave the prison afterwards, will they actually do so or will they remain. If they do remain, then this does become their free-will choice.
LoneBear wrote:Kheb is more of a "lead by example", not "follow the leader" system.
I agree and whoever may be leading by example can easily change. But there is no attachment to such things (i.e. being "the leader" that everyone looks to). The focus is elsewhere and I believe it is focused on improving oneself in a real way. This involves sharing when one has an idea even when it doesn't pan out. It also involves letting such ideas go when demonstrated not to work well or not as well as others. It does involve leading and taking care of those that follow. In addition, it also involves following another in order to obtain the benefits they have found. It is not about being "perfect" or presenting as such. It is about understanding that perhaps there is no final end destination and the process or motion is what is personally fulfilling. Perhaps this enjoyment is what can be shared or at least shown and perhaps it will spark a desire for something different.

While the entrapment may be based on an individuals desire, it seems to have been artificially augmented. It is this artificial augmentation only that I feel can be removed without incurring personal karma or responsibility. I also feel change coming and I sense that these changes will be quite painful for those currently trapped. I feel that I have a duty to at least try to ease this pain. If the trapped ones choose to feel this pain, then there may not be much that can be done. However, I don't think that they have a real choice right now.

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Re: A cosmic Intelligence

Post by LoneBear » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:42 pm

Gopi, Arcelius... some very interesting thoughts.

Applying those patterns to my world view, I see an analogy to RS/2: Kheb is "motion" with the aspects of STS and STO.

It is interesting because I am starting to see this same pattern in everything I do, even dreams (Conflict and Geometry topic), and the RS2 post I made earlier today (Uniform Motion). And here it is again, as a "service" ethical dilemma.

To infer from Gopi's Calculus papers, STS uses a datum of zero (down), and STO a datum of infinity (up). For the 4th density transition, picking a bias seems to be deciding on which sector you are going to reincarnate in, STS gets the material with materialism, and STO gets the cosmic with spiritualism. But it is still yin-yang!

I've been thinking of it in terms of atomic systems in the RS. Atoms are time (yin), in a rotation so they stay in a blob, and that atomic blob is arranged in linear space (yang), which stretches from zero to infinity. (By that I do not mean that atoms ARE yin, but that we use the term "yin" to describe a system that remains fixed inside "yang", as in the taijitu. Yin and yang are literally contained in each other.)

Materialistic people are STS because they want to bring everything to themselves, zero. But "everything" is infinity, so they are actually being motivated by the STO side which creates that inward motion, just as the gravitational field in space is a manifestation of the temporal speed of the atom.

Spiritual people are STO because they want to give everything they have to everyone else... infinity distributed out to the zeros. That distribution is yang--outward, so they are being motivated by the STS side.

Consider Ra's comment about needing 51% STO to harvest, or 95% STS. What if the measure isn't from 0% service, up, but from 100% STS, down? Babies are highly STS! Biological necessity for survival. So the more juvenile a person remains, the closer they would be to satisfying that 95% STS goal. Growing up seems to be a movement of consciousness towards STO, built upon knowledge and experience. Once a person gets under 95% STS, then they are in that hazy area in-between, until they reach 49% STS (51% STO). It is also a system of dual measure, STO from zero, STS from 100%.

What I see in this is "motion" and that the two aspects of STS and STO are not on the same "ruler." Just as space is linear/distance and time is rotational/direction, the same thing is going on here. STS seems to be a measure of control for the ego to be in charge. STO is the measure for the alter-ego, the complex of the soul. The percentage is the difference between them, analogous to a cross-ratio.

I may have been wrong in my original observations about Kheb being a "balancing act." I now believe it is just a condition of moving your consciousness outside of the biological and into the ethical, to use Larson's "levels of existence." Once you are on the mountain, the percentages don't really matter, because you can see where everything is and how it is interacting. Consciousness becomes comprehension and one can share that "map."

It is said that one cannot find the forest through the trees--and that is very appropriate. When your consciousness is in STS or STO, or bouncing back and forth between them, there are just too many trees in the way to see where you are--the ancient maze symbolism. Enter the symbolic Kheb mountain to get you above the tree line, and you can see quite a bit--and a view that you never forget.

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Re: A cosmic Intelligence

Post by Gopi » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:02 pm

LoneBear wrote:Materialistic people are STS because they want to bring everything to themselves, zero. But "everything" is infinity, so they are actually being motivated by the STO side which creates that inward motion, just as the gravitational field in space is a manifestation of the temporal speed of the atom.

Spiritual people are STO because they want to give everything they have to everyone else... infinity distributed out to the zeros. That distribution is yang--outward, so they are being motivated by the STS side
With those symbols, I would put people, humans, on the "1" unit boundary. Materialistic people are those that push things towards themselves, the center of their own world, their zero. And vice versa for the others. It is true that the FORM of one is maintained in mane cases by the FORCES of the other.

To give actual examples, look at the form of one of the most materialistic revolutions today: professional sports, particularly the more bulky ones like football or wrestling. It is a form that corresponds more and more to the animal/hunting instinct. But what wonderful ideals are parroted about while bashing a guy's face in, in the boxing ring! "Stamina, Confidence, belief in the impossible, never give up, make your country proud etc etc". And if they win, they are literally put on a pedestal. A pedestal which means very little to humanity, a caricature of spiritual achievement. Using the STO forces.

And on the other extreme you have the disguised materialism of those from the Hippie Era... the form is that of spiritual experiences, experiencing the beyond, accessing meditative states, creating music and so on. And the forces used are those of chemistry or lower biology, with drugs and sex respectively. So we have the human world being chained down by the forces of the animal (sexual desire) and plant (drugs).
LoneBear wrote:Babies are highly STS! Biological necessity for survival.
I think they are out of that polarity entirely. Coming into incarnation, they are fresh out of the ethical realm, but are unable to use them. Until they reach a certain maturity, they are living the natural animal life, and slowly coming to a human viewpoint with education. It would be only in the years after puberty that a human being accesses the ethical sector once again at some level, as far as I can make out, and only then can one speak of STS. Biology alone is neutral, there are equal amounts of both extreme STS and STO in the biological realm, but they cannot be called so until human ethical behavior is introduced.
LoneBear wrote:I now believe it is just a condition of moving your consciousness outside of the biological and into the ethical, to use Larson's "levels of existence."
Wholly agree with that.
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Re: A cosmic Intelligence

Post by Gopi » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:09 pm

Arcelius wrote:Do you compose poetry Gopi? If not, I think you would be very good at it. You have a way with words.
Thanks Arcelius... personally, a poem has escaped me only once in a while, however my Vedic ancestors wrote nothing BUT poems, so I think some of their skills are filtering through into English as well!
Arcelius wrote:I remember an episode of Babylon 5 where one of the psychics was involved with some experiments in order to improve their powers. They kept going finer and finer through different layers.
Yes, I remember that one. At one point it clashed strongly enough with his ethics, so he woke up.

The idea of there being no limit is simple to see with mathematics... there is no largest number, and similarly there is no smallest number. The same harmony would I think be present in the Universe.
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