animus wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:46 am
LoneBear wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:37 pm
A lengthy but fascinating video done by a Catholic monastery, showing that the "illusions" done by modern magicians may not be illusions, at all, but the works of an unseen (demonic) entity that they have cut a deal with for fame and power... just like it says in the ancient text.
It is entertaining though! And no harm is done, except maybe to the ones who struck the deals. Their choice. But their fame is not really deserved if technically it is somebody else doing the magic. (It is akin to somebody who is enjoying his fame from a book that a ghost writer has written for him.) Still, I would be interested to know how such deals work, especially what it costs those people to live a life in fame and luxury. It can't be a selling your soul for all eternity since that would be a bit out of proportion.
I think you can imagine how the deals work, since I think your assessment that another consciousness enters the magician or singer when they are performing is accurate. They would have to spend time and energy desiring, summoning or otherwise establishing a connection with another entity to take over their bodies to perform certain feats. As to what it costs them, just about anything we could consider as give one their sense of humanity. I would imagine it to be extremely rare
for one to regain their "own self" back after their contract with the demonic entity expires. They would have to feel a deep sense of remorse
for any chance of recovery and re-individuation. My opinion stems just from an understanding of the Law of Hypnotic Rhythm
, which is the force of repetition that creates habits. Habits can
be broken, but it's difficult when the habits are created from the effects of an action without doing any of the corresponding work. So when the contract expires, the person wants to be re-stimulated, but can't do it by themselves, creating a kind of drug-dependent-like syndrome, and so they likely willingly
follow through on the contract and become a servant of the demon. Which is interesting actually.
One can change their mind,
which is to say they can change past Agreements they have made in their mind, and since demons enter from the "spiritual realm," that is to say, they enter from the realm from which consciousness affects the normal observable behaviors of biology and matter, I don't think they can form any "unbreakable vow," of sorts... It's just a clever demonic trick. They use the shearing of the chemistry between the body of the host with its original consciousness against the chemistry of the body with the demonic consciousness, which creates an intense desire
to return closer to the powers that the demonic consciousness has over the body. The second density desires of the beast/life-unit will favor self-aggrandizement above all else unless there is enough of an ethical self (Ethical Control Units) to control it and choose differently.
In that extreme case where someone can recover from a willing demonic possession, there would still be a sort of demonic residue left in the person. The host would not be able to go back entirely to who they were before the exchange of energies or shearing occurred, but a type of "Third Way" would be developed, where the person still maintains himself, is himself, but not without a yearning to return to an old power. See Bilbo Baggins
* In case Muslim readers are interested in considering a different perspective, here are two excerpts from my emails with a strict Islam devotee where I tried to reason through analogies.
[...] For example: If you have eyes to see you can predict with high accuracy if an apple will be sweet (because it is red colored) instead of sour (because it is still green). Your sight might be blurry at first but with time and training you might see very clearly and far away. Yet a world completely filled with blind people wouldn't understand how you do that, since they don't even know what red or green is. They are blind and thus oblivious to that part of nature! Their psyche wouldn't allow for that NATURAL information to come through to their waking consciousness because they are not ready yet for that kind of information. They need to grow first, so that they won't abuse the new skill. In the meantime they will simply call you a name to distinguish you from themselves. How about psychic? You can see beforehand what an apple will taste like without touching, smelling or eating it. A psychic indeed. They might even call you a wizard since you are now able to do everything way faster than anybody else and take influence on the world around you like nobody is able to. You don't need the blindman's stick anymore and can run at full speed in any direction you want. You can predict that there is water up ahead because you see the ocean. And the mountains, the valley, etc. You can distinguish more stuff from one another than anybody else due to your new gained eyesight and the ability to see a color spectrum (but only a segment of it! You can't see x-rays for example.). You can mix a few chemical substances to create a new one. You will become the best chemist. You can see which people will run into each other on the street and thus connect some dots. You can interact more with animals because you see what they like to eat the most and can attract them with that food. You are more in tune with nature than any other person. And yet, you aren't really doing anything major other than using your own sense of sight! You are not to blame if you are one of the first 'psychics' in your society to have developed this... If people are happy being blind and keeping their eyelids shut, then so be it. Not your problem. Of course, you can help them and give suggestions on how to move the eyelids upwards but, well..., it seldom is worth the effort because if it requires work, they usually don't want to hear it. That is, if they even believe you in the first place, since they don't have the eyesight to see or understand what you relate. They might even hate you because they were warned to be cautious around someone like you. People's fear of the unknown or perhaps it is also jealousy of the skills may become a problem and may even result in your death. (burn the witch!) People want to hear all about how Nature works until you give them a truth which they are not ready to handle yet or doesn't fit their view, resulting in them running away as fast and far away from you as possible. Back to their own source of "true information" to find stability again. Thus missing a great chance to evolve further.
Now, what would a slavemaster do in order to "protect" his slaves from this naturally gained sense and new knowledge? He would make it appear bad and evil and say something like this: "No wizard is to be trusted or else you go against God and will be punished!" Sound familiar? Yes, apparently those nature loving guys are the most evil sort of all mankind. Don't you ever talk to them, otherwise they will put you under the spell of becoming more in tune with nature... [...]
[...] Being inside the labyrinth of lies, you need to learn how to recognize the dead ends (there is usually a pattern to them!) and then you won't have to go every single route to the very end. In other words: before you go even deeper into Islam, try taking a look at other religions first and find the similarities and how they connect with each other. Then take a look at what science and history says, including the old books from the middle ages and before. Getting outside of the labyrinth usually requires some out-of-box thinking. So instead of dizzily wandering about, you might want to start digging a tunnel and work yourself out of the labyrinth through the underground. If you are lucky, you will find some like-minded people on your way who had the same idea.
To give another analogy: Imagine you would have spent all life long in a planetarium and be thinking that you see actual stars. In order to see the truth of it, you need to step OUT first and see the planetarium for what it is: an artificial construct confining your thinking to whatever is inside the "domed building". But from the inside alone you will hardly ever get to that conclusion! Right now, what you are doing, is changing seats for a better spot and perspective of the artificial stars. How about stop looking to the sky and instead turning your head around and searching for how your information came to be. Look for the projector! And don't trust the guy who preaches "these stars are real and have always been so." Question him! AND his handbook! If you are willing to spend your rest of the life with this world view, you better make sure you have done your homework first, i.e. a thorough, detailed, minute and in-depth examination with a highly skeptical attitude towards things. Don't be satisfied with anything less. You are still young and your life deserves it.
Now, take a guess how many people are actually doing that and compare it with how many people are NOT questioning the stuff they believe is true? Humanity is heading for its doom for a reason![...]
I commend your work and intentions. It feels bizarre to think that I was at a time too where I had to have explained to me the general concept of learning and understanding you can go places in your life
, outside of the planetarium as you say. But to someone plugged into the Matrix, there are only categories to choose from and participate in, e.g. engineering, computers, entertainment, business. The Matrix has nothing to do with CREATION, but perpetuation
. Innovation, not invention. Because eventually invention by effect dissolves status quos. Perhaps status quo isn't negative in and of itself; it is simply trajectory. If the status quo of a civilization is aimed and is progressing towards strife, violence, chaos, and injustice, or just dumbness as was described in a recent thread, the status quo is undesirable. If the status quo is aimed toward growth, recovery, sustainability, and, a characteristic of Larson's Beyond Time and Space ethical control unit, beauty -- these are desirable and possibly features of the eternal
<---a magnificent speech.