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Test for the Anla'shok

Post by LoneBear » Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:42 am

The following sequence of digits was received via neutrino transmission at one of the SGCs. Can you identify it?

1618033988749894848204586834365638117720309179805
7628621354486227052604628189024497072072041893911
3748475408807538689175212663386222353693179318006
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4643382437764861028383126833037242926752631165339
2473167111211588186385133162038400522216579128667
5294654906811317159934323597349498509040947621322
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Re: Test for the Anla'shok

Post by lvx08 » Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:27 pm

LoneBear wrote:The following sequence of digits was received via neutrino transmission at one of the SGCs. Can you identify it?

1618033988749894848204586834365638117720309179805
7628621354486227052604628189024497072072041893911
3748475408807538689175212663386222353693179318006
0766726354433389086595939582905638322661319928290
2678806752087668925017116962070322210432162695486
2629631361443814975870122034080588795445474924618
5695364864449241044320771344947049565846788509874
3394422125448770664780915884607499887124007652170
5751797883416625624940758906970400028121042762177
1117778053153171410117046665991466979873176135600
6708748071013179523689427521948435305678300228785
6997829778347845878228911097625003026961561700250
4643382437764861028383126833037242926752631165339
2473167111211588186385133162038400522216579128667
5294654906811317159934323597349498509040947621322
2981017261070596116456299098162905552085247903524
0602017279974717534277759277862561943208275051312
1815628551222480939471234145170223735805772786160
0868838295230459264787801788992199027077690389532
1968198615143780314997411069260886742962267575605
231727775203536139362
1.6180339887... is the number for phi (the golden mean). I am wondering what neutrino transmission is

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Re: Test for the Anla'shok

Post by LoneBear » Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:58 pm

lvx08 wrote:1.6180339887...
Very good... 5 points for Gryffindor.
lvx08 wrote:is the number for phi
Well, that's all Greek to me. :)

You have successfully identified the number with a name, but can you identify it with a purpose? Why would someone (or some thing) consider that value to be important as a tool of communication? What does it say?
lvx08 wrote:I am wondering what neutrino transmission is
Neutrinos are sub-atomic particles which possess some unusual properties, like having no net displacement in either time or space, and thus can pass thru solid objects like they weren't even there. They also have a unique property of being able to co-exist in space/time (the material) and time/space (the cosmic) simultaneously.

A neutrino transmission is a method of communication using neutrinos instead of a carrier wave.

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Re: Test for the Anla'shok

Post by Alluvion » Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:07 pm

the golden mean describes a harmonic (non-scale/all scales) spiral - perhaps the message is the approach of an apex, the departure from an apex or the interconnectedness of all levels within the spiral between terminus and origin.

So i've elaborated on the number and its possible time/space qualities, but i've not ventured a guess at answering the question.

cosmic scale is formless, all inclusive categories
material scale is the definitive form, descriptive of the proscription

..hmm. not sure.

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Re: Phi-Corps

Post by lvx08 » Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:44 pm

LoneBear wrote:Phi is an "icon" in the Archive of the Ancients that leads to a huge vault of information and understanding that I've never explored before. The "game" aspect is a challenge to one's curiousity to go into the Archive and see what is there for yourself, with hopes you'll see aspects that I am blind to and we could discuss. ....


There's a reason it is a "divine" (time/space) number--it is one of the linkage points between space/time and time/space where crossing appears to be much easier. Basically, it's an open door to the Archive and all it requires is some contemplation of this "key" to walk in. Attempting to figure out this "mystery" should provide Archive access, techniques of which were requested in other forums.

.. so I'm returning back to decoding the message of the divine ratio--which was the original intent of the post.

It would be interesting to pursue this. (though it did cross my mind as to how you were accessing neutrino transmissions at a SGC. Do you have a particle accelerator buried underground at Avalon?)

I have been continually coming across Phi over the last months which was how I recognised the number. When we see something proportionally pleasing then quite often Phi will reveal itself in those proportions. There is some connexion between Phi and beauty. It is also closely related to the number 5 (Phive) :
Phi = 5 ^ .5 * .5 + .5

Five is the number of Man, so Phi contains a close connexion to human perception and reality.

I need to think as to how these ideas take us into the Archive

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Re: Phi-Corps

Post by LoneBear » Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:16 pm

lvx08 wrote:It would be interesting to pursue this. (though it did cross my mind as to how you were accessing neutrino transmissions at a SGC. Do you have a particle accelerator buried underground at Avalon?)
It is more like a particle decelerator, since about the only way to detect a neutrino is to capture it within an atom--which can only be done if the neutrino is carrying a charge. The charge is a temporal motion, and atoms are temporal displacements. Since the relation of time to time does not constitute motion, the neutrino cannot move out of the "time" of the atom. The excess "time" the presence of the neutrino adds to the atom shows up as in increase in atomic weight of 0.5 AMU per capture.
lvx08 wrote:I have been continually coming across Phi over the last months which was how I recognised the number. When we see something proportionally pleasing then quite often Phi will reveal itself in those proportions. There is some connexion between Phi and beauty. It is also closely related to the number 5 (Phive) :
Phi = 5 ^ .5 * .5 + .5

Five is the number of Man, so Phi contains a close connexion to human perception and reality.

I need to think as to how these ideas take us into the Archive
I think you are smack on the target with "human perception," as it appears that Phi describes the relationship between a conic, counterspace projection and a rectangular, Euclidean one. A cross-section of a conic is a circle (or ellipse), and it relates this cross-section directly to a Euclidean square (or rectangle). In the old days of alchemy, I believe this was called "squaring the circle".

While trying to work out the precise projective transformation (as a homogeneous transformation matrix), it occured to me that we become use to associating "pi" with any rotational or circular functions. Pi is how it appears in Euclidean space, whereas "phi" appears to be the actual unit of measure for rotational space (like counterspace). I am now running some tests using phi as a measure of counterspatial "turn" instead of pi, and getting some fascinating results--it appears "phi" is actually the result of counterspatial "linkage" to Euclidean space, per Nick Thomas' research. This has one major implication: phi will show up whenever time/space and space/time link, whereas pi is restricted to space/time only. This linkage is what defines "life", or as Larson puts it, the "life unit."

I also noticed the "5" connection geometrically (the pentagon and pentagram), but haven't been able to associate that with a projective transformation yet. I think we are all familiar with the pentagram being a mystic symbol of access to the "Otherworld", so it does support the concept of counterspatial linkage.

"Beauty" is a bit of a puzzle for me. How does one relate the concept of "beauty" to the concept of "motion"? About the only reference I have is from the Celestine Prophecy -- where the seeker was led to Truth by following the path showing the most beauty. Can you extrapolate on the concept?

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Re: Test for the Anla'shok

Post by Alluvion » Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:21 am

I am pulling this from my architectural-mind :

the relationship between motion and beauty is one that signals clear, harmonic principles. Perception and comprehension of a principle at one scale that brings the entire fractalinely scaled condition into the consciouss mind is typically beautiful, for the striking of the chord of knowing within the mind/heart is pure. The recognition of beauty is based in mythos/intuition untill it is known through the intelligence/logos - given language, extrapolated rules, systemically brought to conscioussness.

Beauty is available to both the consciouss and unconcisouss but it resonates first (it seems) with the unconsciouss, or from the unconsciouss. So beautiful motion is motion first perceived in one form (space/time) and then understood as essence (at all scales, time/space) and so the barrier of seperation is dissolved, as beauty describes that which sits in the mind/heart (inside) and the world (out there) at the same time. Perhaps beauty is one mark of peircing the veil, and this is of course subjectively based - I don't beleive in objectivity anymore but rather simultaneous, interconnected subjectivity.

Beautiful geometry (logical systemic structure) is usually based on values such as Phi, well that they have a charachter as Phi, where they are a fractaline condtion and so reveal interconnection and intelligence. Extrapolating upon the other information attributed to geometry, perhaps the detection of this neutrino (by what means?) is the singal of thinning between spacetime and timespace, an intensification or concentration of conditions. Isn't it current scientific thought that as things approach light speed, mass increases? So if a neutrino causes an addition of atmoic mass it means there might be an increase in 'light substance'.

as for the pentagram/pentagon, its a harmonic trangulated geometry. Whats interesting about the harmonics of the pentagram is how it inverts the bounding pentagon shape if you move up or down in scale, graphically speaking, that which is within is inverted, that which is within the inverted, is up right - alternation endlessley. I am sure something more clear and profound could be figured out from understanding the relationships of the area's of the trangles contained within a pentagram but I don't know how to wrap my mind around that, its all trig - BUT! trigonometry is the connection between linear geometry and rotational/spiraling/cycling geometries (since/cosing/tanget etc etc).

so perhaps the presence of neutrinos does indicate an event of overlapping between timespace and space time, and perhaps in that event more 'light velocity' is being exibhited by denser matter. The lower densities are heavier and the higher densities would squeeze out of them into a stable quantum level, though in space they overlap obviously.

was there a ritual conducted in this place where the neutrino was detected?

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Re: Test for the Anla'shok

Post by zenmaster » Sun Dec 12, 2004 7:11 pm

The more something is perceived to express that which is extant, the more beautiful it is.

In terms of motion, the core of this beauty is the unified, 'potential' motion. This is the foundation for the "magical working", the Philosopher's Stone, the Prima Materia, the ever present "now" of no-mind. So if you are creating a system of motions, the more the intricate relationships between the motions and the motions as a whole reflect/allow "that which is possible", the beautiful the form and function will appear to be. The more the intricate relationships between the motions and the motions as a whole hide/deny that which is possible, the "uglier" they will be.

In the Tarot, the Tower (lightning struck) is destroyed because of its lack of congruency and harmony with that which is beautiful. Some part of its structure, due to misunderstanding, denied an essential means of expression. The Tower is not the ego, but the "throne" and worldview of the ego. It must be created in order to transcend, but include 3rd density principles. The ego will always reside in those parts of the tower that it identifies with. The "beautiful tower" is the majestic throne that is created by the ego, but where the ego does not need to sit.

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Post by LoneBear » Sun Dec 12, 2004 10:22 pm

WarmSylph wrote:the relationship between motion and beauty is one that signals clear, harmonic principles.
Based on your description, am I correct in assuming that you consider "beauty" to be an attractive, "inward" motion? Namely, we are pulled towards what is beautiful, and pushed away from what is ugly?
WarmSylph wrote:Beautiful geometry (logical systemic structure) is usually based on values such as Phi, well that they have a charachter as Phi, where they are a fractaline condtion and so reveal interconnection and intelligence.
Not sure I'm following the connection between beauty and recursion... why would that indicate intelligence?
WarmSylph wrote:Extrapolating upon the other information attributed to geometry, perhaps the detection of this neutrino (by what means?) is the singal of thinning between spacetime and timespace, an intensification or concentration of conditions.
The only way I know to detect neutrinos is by the isotopic mass increase from capture. They don't tend to stay in the atom, however, as when too many are absorbed, the atom becomes radioactive and casts off the excess motion.
WarmSylph wrote:Isn't it current scientific thought that as things approach light speed, mass increases? So if a neutrino causes an addition of atmoic mass it means there might be an increase in 'light substance'.
Science botched that one. Mass remains constant; effective force diminishes (the force cannot push faster than light, so as the mass approaches lightspeed, it appears the force loses all its force and causes acceleration to drop to zero (at c). Since F/a = m, when "a" approaches zero, it appears that the mass approaches infinity.
WarmSylph wrote:as for the pentagram/pentagon, its a harmonic trangulated geometry. Whats interesting about the harmonics of the pentagram is how it inverts the bounding pentagon shape if you move up or down in scale, graphically speaking, that which is within is inverted, that which is within the inverted, is up right - alternation endlessley.
The same thing happens with the tetrahedron, in 3 dimensions.
WarmSylph wrote:BUT! trigonometry is the connection between linear geometry and rotational/spiraling/cycling geometries (since/cosing/tanget etc etc).
This is true, and the trig functions are all series expansions, indicating that they are an infinite progression (like the Fibonacci) to get the exact answer. Natural logs also do the same thing, but Larson identified that as the relationship between space and the time region (integral of 1/t dt).
WarmSylph wrote:so perhaps the presence of neutrinos does indicate an event of overlapping between timespace and space time,
I made an interesting discovery today about neutrinos... we use photons and electrons in radio systems (RS2 discovered that the electron is just a 'special case" photon) -- that is totally a 1st density function. Apparently, the 2nd density equivalent of the photon is the neutrino! Neutrino transmissions are the carrier wave for telepathy. When Ra contacted the L/L group, his "tight beam" transmission was most likely a neutrino transmission, which the brain can detect and translate. It may be the underlying principle for a the "channelling function".
WarmSylph wrote:and perhaps in that event more 'light velocity' is being exibhited by denser matter. The lower densities are heavier and the higher densities would squeeze out of them into a stable quantum level, though in space they overlap obviously.
All motion in time/space appears as supraluminal. What do you mean by "denser matter"? Matter of the higher densities? That would fit in with the Theosophical concept of the Anu.
WarmSylph wrote:was there a ritual conducted in this place where the neutrino was detected?
No. Just a very old tree in the area (more than a century old).

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Post by LoneBear » Sun Dec 12, 2004 10:25 pm

zenmaster wrote:the more the intricate relationships between the motions and the motions as a whole reflect/allow "that which is possible", the beautiful the form and function will appear to be. The more the intricate relationships between the motions and the motions as a whole hide/deny that which is possible, the "uglier" they will be.
Are you suggesting a relationship between beauty as potential, and ugly as kinetic?

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LoneBear wrote: "Beauty" is a bit of a puzzle for me. How does one relate the concept of "beauty" to the concept of "motion"? About the only reference I have is from the Celestine Prophecy -- where the seeker was led to Truth by following the path showing the most beauty. Can you extrapolate on the concept?
Beauty to me implies a recognition of harmony , which suggests some sort of resonance. I think when we perceive something beautiful, then we are experiencing a certain frequency where extra-ordinary things begin to happen - maybe activating green ray (I certainly think the heart is involved) and indigo. I recall that Ra said STS tended to be of fair appearance so perhaps beauty is more a yellow/indigo ray phenomenon in this polarity.

I am not sure what counterspace is . Google could not pull up anything relevant. Is counterspace like time/space?

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lvx08 wrote:Beauty to me implies a recognition of harmony , which suggests some sort of resonance. I think when we perceive something beautiful, then we are experiencing a certain frequency where extra-ordinary things begin to happen - maybe activating green ray (I certainly think the heart is involved) and indigo. I recall that Ra said STS tended to be of fair appearance so perhaps beauty is more a yellow/indigo ray phenomenon in this polarity.
I understand the mechanical, physical, musical and electronic concepts of resonance, but not the beauty in resonance. The only thing that comes to mind is the psychological concept of identification - people seem to "resonate" with things that they identify with, which is external projection of unconscious or repressed material. Can you give me an example?
lvx08 wrote:I am not sure what counterspace is . Google could not pull up anything relevant. Is counterspace like time/space?
Try http://www.anth.org.uk/NCT/ and click on the "Counterspace" button at the top. (Or see the "4th density science" forums on this board).

Counterspace is a the inverse of "space"; it is how we would perceive both time/space and the time region from our space/time viewpoint.

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Re: Beautiful Motion

Post by Alluvion » Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:19 am

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WarmSylph wrote:the relationship between motion and beauty is one that signals clear, harmonic principles.
Based on your description, am I correct in assuming that you consider "beauty" to be an attractive, "inward" motion? Namely, we are pulled towards what is beautiful, and pushed away from what is ugly?

>>> - I think beautiful things/experiences are like getting the purest signal from a radio, the clearest and most effective message - no static, no overlap, just a pure perception. TO me that pure perception is essentialy the conscious comprehension of the interconnectedness of all things: truth, equalization, seeing through the fog of karma. Visualize a vessel of fluid being vibrated by sound: the "ugly" sounds are staticy, noizy, incomprehensible - they cause seemingly unstructured, unintelligent, chaotic interference patterns within the fluid. Then the beautiful sounds cause geometric wave patterns to arise within the fluid, revealing the beautiful sound to cause some beautiful occurence in the fluid - clearly the beautiful sound is comprehensible at some lpsychological level.
WarmSylph wrote:Beautiful geometry (logical systemic structure) is usually based on values such as Phi, well that they have a charachter as Phi, where they are a fractaline condtion and so reveal interconnection and intelligence.
Not sure I'm following the connection between beauty and recursion... why would that indicate intelligence?

>>> this universe is based on an infinite intelligence which has given fractline structure to it - the use of 7's, for instance, it speaks of rigorus and intelligent construction to me, the provision has been made at EVERY scale - infinitely. I imagine it takes and endless conscioussness to provide that.
WarmSylph wrote:and perhaps in that event more 'light velocity' is being exibhited by denser matter. The lower densities are heavier and the higher densities would squeeze out of them into a stable quantum level, though in space they overlap obviously.
All motion in time/space appears as supraluminal. What do you mean by "denser matter"? Matter of the higher densities? That would fit in with the Theosophical concept of the Anu.

>>> - i mean like oil and water. They seperate because of their densities. Heavier matter in that it is more inanimate, less 'spiritual mass". I see the progression of densities as the progression from - analogy to the recent ll transcript - coal to the refracted light beam.

WarmSylph wrote:was there a ritual conducted in this place where the neutrino was detected?
No. Just a very old tree in the area (more than a century old).
>>> i asked because, following my train of thought in that post, that perhaps a ritual of some kind would've thinned the veil so to speak...

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Re: Test for the Anla'shok

Post by zenmaster » Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:31 pm

Are you suggesting a relationship between beauty as potential, and ugly as kinetic?
Beauty is a configuration or an expression that has both potential and kinetic qualities. Given any system, the beautiful is that which expresses or provides the maximum coverage of possibility in its being/construction/function which would be masculine or the most efficient opportunities for relating to this beingness/construction/function which would be feminine. Consider your sense of aesthetic and what it is actually telling you of the system to which it is applied.

The ugly is that which denies access, potential, expression, or growth. Think of the ugly image and why it is ugly. It is ugly because it blocks that which is perceived to be possible and of value.

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Re: Phi-Corps

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LoneBear wrote: I understand the mechanical, physical, musical and electronic concepts of resonance, but not the beauty in resonance. The only thing that comes to mind is the psychological concept of identification - people seem to "resonate" with things that they identify with, which is external projection of unconscious or repressed material. Can you give me an example?
When we see something beautiful- a spectacular sunset, a breathtaking view- we want to take it in. The eyes and the heart open to it, we move towards it and I believe we start to become like what we are viewing. By that I mean the energy exchange effects our own energy, we start to resonate with what has affected us.

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Post by Alluvion » Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:47 am

When we see something beautiful- a spectacular sunset, a breathtaking view- we want to take it in. The eyes and the heart open to it, we move towards it and I believe we start to become like what we are viewing. By that I mean the energy exchange effects our own energy, we start to resonate with what has affected us.
what I am learning from buddhism is to let these subject-object constructs dissolve, let reality be less defined by seperation and more defined by access , indentification (conventionally, but not ultimately) and appreciation.

that beautiful sunset is beautiful because it tells us something, we know something from that experience, we beleive and understand something - the resonance is that comprehension of something, wether its the interconnectedness of all things (the death of seperation, even of the objective) or the rightness of all things, its something that orients the mind in a more timespace way, rather than a space/time way...

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Re: Test for the Anla'shok

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or the rightness of all things, its something that orients the mind in a more timespace way, rather than a space/time way...
I'd have to say that if you were more temporally positioned, then you would be more prone to consider the spatial relationships of things and if you were more spatially positioned, then you your be more apt to consider the temporal relationships of things. One is Jung's "thinking" (masculine), the other is "feeling" (feminine). Both of these orientations will reveal the same rightness, but perceived in different ways.

If you can be on the fence of "no-mind" (unity), then what informs seems to go through less personal filtration.

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Re: Test for the Anla'shok

Post by Alluvion » Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:42 am

zenmaster wrote:
or the rightness of all things, its something that orients the mind in a more timespace way, rather than a space/time way...
I'd have to say that if you were more temporally positioned, then you would be more prone to consider the spatial relationships of things and if you were more spatially positioned, then you your be more apt to consider the temporal relationships of things. One is Jung's "thinking" (masculine), the other is "feeling" (feminine). Both of these orientations will reveal the same rightness, but perceived in different ways.

>>> I hadn't considered the time/space perspectives you describe. True the emptiness is the middleway between the two (and the pivot between timespace and spacetime) - letting subject-object relationships dissolve moves one towards unity and understanding connections. There is less naming, less attribution of language (which seems to confine more than anything).

If you can be on the fence of "no-mind" (unity), then what informs seems to go through less personal filtration.
>>> les linguistic trappings maybe?

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Re: Test for the Anla'shok

Post by zenmaster » Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:06 am

I hadn't considered the time/space perspectives you describe. True the emptiness is the middleway between the two (and the pivot between timespace and spacetime) - letting subject-object relationships dissolve moves one towards unity and understanding connections. There is less naming, less attribution of language (which seems to confine more than anything).
zenmaster wrote:If you can be on the fence of "no-mind" (unity), then what informs seems to go through less personal filtration.
les linguistic trappings maybe?
I think the connections must already be understood via a worldview before the unified perspective can be applied. Because the bias of not understanding something is what tends to create the attachments and identifications (that serve as opportunities to create understanding).

Mind automatically knows mind (both itself and other mind) I guess through what has been termed "gnosis" or "the knowing". When you "know" something without applying the thinking or feeling functions, that is gnosis. Therefore, since this is possible, I'd say that this seems to indicate that everything has an "objective" mind framework and this on-the-fence connection is "mind relating directly to mind". Considering the gnosis state, I'd also go further and say that this is the basis for the telepathic communication.

Mind seems to be an intelligent organization of the functions of consciousness and everything that can be related to using gnosis would seem to have a mind of some kind. I know that may sound strange, but it seems that things can "tell you something about themselves".

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