Antiquatis

Over this Thanksgiving holiday I had lots of travel time to read and so I cracked open Ken Wilber's 'Theory of Everything'. This is helping me personally integrate the SpDy perspective into my own life but also assisting me in a evaluating large-scale social activity in terms of the memes.

Gay marriage is a potent mass meme-shift issue, almost entirely green. In just observing, it seems to activate people's primary meme-state rather intensely, with the blue-power structures scrambling to maintain a non-green shift and thereby providing an intense catalyst for a majority of the population to comprehend these patterns (through dissonance) and make a choice - maintain, regress, or progress. It would seem a majority of the people are choosing to progress, even if the decision is not so emotionally intense or personal, but 'just makes sense' in terms of basic human rights.

As a gay person, it is interesting to observe this from the standpoint of SpDy. Perhaps being in this particular minority is only helpful in propelling most people towards green, but isn't providing enough dissonance to step into tier-2. Yet an increase in green prevalence suggests a more intense shift up the spiral at this time.

Might there be a wisdom/compassion component to the dissonance of end-Green/start-Yellow? In an echo of sts/sto semantics - wisdom gets you to tier-2 STS and compassion gets you to tier-2 STO?

Green? Isn't "marriage" a religious institution (Blue vMeme, truth force)? I see it as being a growth into the Blue vMeme. Many religious leaders are afraid of gay marriage because they are afraid of their own Animus, embracing the "truth" of the Animus (it doesn't stop at Blue though!). Also note that marriage as an institution isn't necessary for that growth, it provides security at the cost of free will (gravity also provides security at the cost of free will, context is important to consider).


I believe there is only one "basic human right", that being the first distortion of the Law of One; free will.


As a gay person, are you prepared for the dissonance? As a bi person (who was once considered strait), embracing my Animus (or accepting my homosexuality) was a potent shift in consciousness for me. It was a shift that enabled me to retain Tier 2 consciousness. Tier 2 is holistic for a reason, all the parts must be one of the whole; if not, it is not whole (holistic) and your consciousness can't maintain the second tier without blowing a fuse.


Tier 2 is holistic qua "Kheb" or the "Third Path" or the "Magnum Opus". Tier 2-STO and Tier 2-STS are not applicable concepts because choice of one over the other would exclude (or repress) that other, therefore breaking the logical concept of holism.

Wisdom and compassion are, to me, Tier 2 aspects of the Animus and Anima, respectively.

While I agree that marriage is a Blue pattern, I think that the dissonance of alternative marriages provides a catalyst for the dissonance necessary to meme-shift. Marriage is one pattern available to Blue-levels for exhausting the potentials of that world view, and because of its intense pre/conventional prevalence is catalytic enough to engender the chance for meme-shift - but based on a slight recall of history, anytime a power/resource inequality becomes highly contrasted and minority Blue aims to become minority Orange using the rhetoric of Green, catalyst is available on all quadrants.

The meme-shift available then is for those seeing the limitations of Blue to choose on their own and enter Orange, and for those in Orange to utilizing their individuation to re-enter conscious relationships. Its also an opportunity for those in Green to either retain or re-evaluate Green values. If marriage wasn't so prevalent to the 4 quadrants I don't think it would be such a potent opportunity for catalyst.

Also important to consider, and perhaps even more fundamental, is that an individual typically isn't a pure vMeme (lines/streams etc). Interpersonal relationships provide a kind of intimately scaled context for vLine evaluation, so its not a total loss to ones free will, especially if you see this in terms of Orange inquiry. And in any case, like all things, its temporary.

Im currently in a relationship with an interesting mix of green/orange/blue - we are boyfriends, but we aren't sexually exclusive or in contract (blue), we are figuring out what want as individuals and as a couple and constantly negotiate dissonance/harmony (orange) and this is under a general Green banner of 'each doing our own thing' and 'being our own person'. Currently we are running into a little conflict because my Green sensibility to be my own drummer meets resistance with his Blue sense of romantic duty - and as per the SpiDy lit - green dissolves blue, yet he will cross certain boundaries in an effort to 'help'.



Again I'll bring up the inequality between developmental lines and 'over all' Meme level. And as such, I'd enjoy more explanation on your above statements. Are you suggesting bisexuality is latently Integral? If thats the case, I can see your point, since it includes the fundamental Beige-procreation drive. Are you saying as a personal bias your bisexuality was something you were previously repressing but now do not repress to be more "I" quadrant integral?

For me the shift to tier2 would not be from 'gay' to 'bi' but from 'gay' to 'queer' - in as much as I see my sexuality, in each meme, activated more towards the unconventional, but as that would establish an over all convention of 'unconventionality' I then polarize conventional sexuality as unconventional - so there is the opportunity for inclusion of all possibilities.




I understand that understanding. It would seem then that the STO/STS story line deals with the Tier1 memes exclusively, and then the harvest choice would deal with the movement into Tier2 permanently, instead of as peak experience as is far more common.

In reading 'Theory of Everything' i've been making my own maps (as usual). I'm working on a map in which there are four typical levels to a human being (physical/biological/mental/spiritual), 4 quadrants (I/it/we/they), and the 8 initial vMemes:

archaic (might) - magical(order) - mythic might - mythic order - rational might - rational order -- integral instance - integral vision

Feedback on those terms would be appreciated.

well about a year and a half ago, I realized the love of my life is Becky so although I used to be purple, she tells me now I'm rainbow! LOL

Gay marriage is actually orange, because it is being "legalized" in a municipal corporation structure (State, District of Criminals, or federal "government"--which is also a corporation). It would only be blue if the churches were trying to make it part of their doctrine.

Marriage CAN be a religious institution, but it hasn't been in a while--particularly if you get a "marriage license". Any "license" is permission to do something illegal, so that means love and raising a family is illegal in the government sense, requiring their permission and inviting them in as a 3rd party in a marriage contract.

If you check, the marriage license was originally called an "Inter-racial Marriage License" (Black's Law Dictionary, early editions) since in the days of the Colonies, marriage between the races was illegal. But the government realized it had a good thing going, collecting all those fees and getting themselves in as a 3rd party, so they can use "social workers" to regulate families, and control "education" of the "profits" (children).

I think gay marriage, as a legal structure, is silly. The constitution protects everyone's right to contract. If you want to enter into marriage (contract) with ANYONE, do it with GOD, not the STATE! I'm sure God has no objections in allowing love to flourish, in any form.

The more we talk about this, the more it seems like gay marriage has a facet in each wave if the spiral, depending on the intent and worldview of the individuals and groups involved. The legalization is orange, the main opposition coming from Blue wavers and their world view, while Greens see the point of enforcing equality on all the barbaric "lower Memes."

the 'God' contract doesn't provide for dealing with the mechanisms of Orange cultural function. From a tier 2 perspective, how is the Orange contract NOT useful?

Perhaps the point was that it is not necessary to deal with the Orange cultural function. It is a choice. If you choose to, then there are some benefits. There are also benefits of choosing not to do so.

A tier 2 perspective may see that everything has its use in its own place. From inside a tier 2 perspective, the legal system is highly restrictive and limiting even to the point of curbing helpful activities. For those not higher up the spiral, it is the best thing going.

Okay, gotcha.


DebbieQ is back!

LOL! just stopping by to catch up with you all. How are things in Alexanders world? and everyones for that matter. Mine has definitely been topsy-turvy this past year and a half. think I stepped off the grid for a while.didn't see that last step coming! miss you though