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Denigration of the Future

Post by daniel » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:01 am

I was searching the net for some data and ran across an article by one P.J. O'Rourke entitled, "Future Schlock" that was talking about Disney's recent attempt (2008) at making another "House of the Future."

If you're under 40 years of age, you probably never heard about the original "House of the Future" that was in Disneyland from 1957-1967, constructed by Monsanto (yeah, they were "cool" and worked towards the benefit of man, long, long ago). I saw it when I was a kid; it was one of the most fantastic houses I've ever seen--it had a wall-sized television, a microwave oven to cook food in minutes... all sorts of innovations that were unheard of in the early 1960s, but you may find in your home, today. (In typical Walt Disney fashion, it was supposed to be 30 years ahead of the times--and it was). Beautiful design and made of plastic (interesting note is that this plastic design was so strong, when they went to knock it down with a wrecking ball--the ball just bounced off!)
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Monsanto House of the Future at Disney (1957-1967)
The latest attempt, done by Microsoft, HP and Lifeware, is nothing more than a conventional ranch home loaded with high-tech electronics and NO vision of the future at all, just a $15 million dollar marketing showcase for these companies, which is often closed due to "technical difficulties" (like the blue screen of death on various appliances!) You can read about that in the above-mentioned article. What I want to mention here is a comment that O'Rourke made, concerning the future:
"Denigration of the future has become an intellectual prop over the past 40 years. Looking forward went out of fashion about the time that Buckminster Fuller’s audacious geodesic domes, meant to cover entire cities, wound up as hippie-height, wobbling, tent-sized structures on Mendocino County pot communes.

Bruce Handy, writing in Time about Disney’s reopening of a deliberately out-of-date Tomorrowland in 1998, began his essay with the sentence, “The future isn’t what it used to be.” He went on, “It’s not a novel observation to point out that our culture has become increasingly backward looking.”

Well, given the future envisioned in Disney’s House of the Future, who can blame us for looking the other way?

Disney’s Tomorrowland is deeply, thoroughly, almost furiously unimaginative. This isn’t the fault of the “Disney culture”; it is the fault of our culture. We seem to have entered a deeply unimaginative era."
Being in the over-50s generation, I've noticed that--not just with Disney's Tomorrowland, but also with media, in general.

Classic Star Trek, from same era of the House of the Future, shows a bright future for mankind--one where man has learned to live in peace and to devote his intelligence and activities to exploring strange, new worlds... until the NWO got a hold of it in the latest films, sent someone back in time and rewrote all of history to a violent, oppressive future where even the peaceful Vulcan homeworld has been destroyed. (Don't get me going on Enterprise deVulcanized the Vulcans that made them into petty, green-faced humans!)

The Tomorrow People are another example; in the old series, there were some time-travel episodes that showed that mankind evolved into a peaceful, ethical and telepathic species working with other races on the Galactic Trig. The remake of the series shows nothing more than a "survival adaptation" of psionic ability--in other words, better, built in, telekinetic "claws"--weapons, not a tool to advance mankind.

I have to agree with O'Rourke concerning the denigration of the future--media is making the future look so bad that no one wants to think about it, so they dwell in the past or present. Knowing something of the timelines, if you want the future to go into some, specific direction--you have to see where it is you want to go. These days, people don't look past their eyelids--it's like trying to drive a car with the windows blacked out. You cannot see any of the surrounding landscape, know where you've been or where you are heading--it is all controlled by an outside influence.

And this "denigration" appears to be a premeditated act. The future is the path forward, through 3-dimensional time. It is also the realm of the anima, the soul. The "future" for the anima is hope, so not only is this the denigration of the future, but the death of hope. No hope, no desires, no future--the perfect slave.

I can certainly understand why there is so much ET/ED "hope porn" these days; man can no longer steer his own course and needs that external influence to tow him around. Apparently, he has gotten so lazy, that he won't turn the windshield wipers on to clear the view. It is no wonder we need AI to do the thinking for man, as in the "re-envisioned" house of the future, where the house will tell you what to cook for dinner and what to wear to the party. Sounds like a comfortable life, after all, "no brain, no pain." (Makes me ponder if all this "data mining" going on is an attempt to preserve the last bits of knowledge that humanity has produced, before we become a complete Idiocracy.)

I was just wondering if anyone here, outside of LoneBear, actually had a positive vision of the future... one that does not require a "savior" or natural disaster to turn things around (Project Blue Beam stuff)? Or has man made the choice to have no future???
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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by mongo » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:47 pm

daniel, it's interesting that you brought up the Disney "house of the future". I was just at Disneyland a couple weeks ago. Met up with our kids and grandkids. For some time I have been trying to envision a new world scenario. One where no one "worked" and money was not needed.Where people just volunteered to help the community. I have had a hard time seeing the steps to get to that location. That is , until I walked around Disneyland. I realized that I was there. Here I was walking around with lots of people from lots of different places. Yes, its very expensive. Entry fee. But once inside it felt very community. People waited in lines peacefully. you could choose to wait or not for a ride. Wait times were given to help that decision.
It just hit me as I was walking around the facility that once the stress distractions are removed, we can get there.

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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by Arcelius » Tue Jan 28, 2014 4:42 pm

daniel wrote:I was just wondering if anyone here, outside of LoneBear, actually had a positive vision of the future... one that does not require a "savior" or natural disaster to turn things around (Project Blue Beam stuff)? Or has man made the choice to have no future???
I think I used to have a positive outlook on the future of humanity. However, bit by bit that outlook has been eroded. I don't think that my current outlook is fully negative though, just not that positive. The best outlook I am currently seeing is a (mostly) benevolent dictatorship. That would allow the bulk of humanity to be perfectly free to serve (freedom redefined). For the smaller group of humanity who isn't interested and who has prepared themselves, they will likely redefine themselves as something other than a regular human and will likely have some offers to consider around joining other like-minded groups such as the LMs perhaps. I don't see this smaller group as being capable of moving out on their own though (not yet large/capable enough). Of course, I can be quite wrong and reserve the right to change my opinions at any time. I have before and so will likely do so again.

I don't think that any kind of "saviour" is capable of turning anything around. Any saviour that shows up is much more likely to be that dictator. I'm not sure that most people are even interested in any real help. They want the "Easy Button". As for natural disasters, I believe that will more likely accelerate a devolution response in most people.
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I am still hoping that man hasn't decided not to have a future though that is also possible. I suppose something like a zombie apocalypse could happen though it would likely be very short-lived.

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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by antiquatis user » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:17 pm

Have you read the Thiaoouba Prophecy?
There's a wonderful description of a home there (from pg 60)

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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by Windy » Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:27 am

I really feel that we are at a stage of turning things around. And yes it will come from each one of us. We have the capability, and I am on a search right now to find a place in the world to create a community based on rapport. I know there are already some communities like this functioning. It is people that are on this forum that have know how to make it happen as well as the desire. I really feel that the saviour way is a very narrow view of humanity, and humanity is ready to make this change now. I see this within the people around me friends that are moving much more in line of their being. With this there are many people ready for something else but are a bit unsure how to make this happen. It is a bit of the "If you build it they(we) will come". I agree that our imagination isn't what it used to be, but that can change as well in a short order. Giving people space for this, outside of the view of competition and we will all surprise ourselves. This is just my humble opinion, and I am very excited for the future. I have found that the people on this forum and others are really helpful. I read a lot but don't post, until today. I just felt I should put in my point of view. I feel people are amazing and really resilient. I am currently living in a small town in Cambodia and know what these people have been through. Even so they show to me what we can overcome on a human level. With that I see how we can move forward together and create a new world. :)

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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by antiquatis user » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:29 am

The future is in self organising collectives. They'll be springing up like mushrooms after a rainy day. Clif High has a lot to say about this topic

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Post by Gopi » Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:27 pm

A wonderful question... I think to tackle this, we'll have to plumb the depths of that powerful story of Past and Future: Prometheus and Epimetheus, whose struggle takes a different form in each age.

To give a quick recap (see http://www.greekmythology.com/Myths/The ... theus.html for the typical story)... Epimetheus (literally: hindsight) and Prometheus (foresight) are two brothers, on whom fell the task of creating man, and after creating animals, Epimetheus had basically exhausted all his gifts in giving abilities to animals. He had nothing left to give man. Prometheus tricked Zeus and brought down FIRE... the human individuality, creativity, transformitivity, which made it possible for man to think ahead, and stand erect.

To pay for the trickery, Pandora was brought into the picture, who was basically beauty, guile and curiosity incarnate and irresistible to Epimetheus, in spite of Prometheus' warnings. Sure enough, she cannot help but open the box, bringing ills and plagues to mankind, and then hope.

Now normally, people think that this hope is something good, a sort of silver lining to the cloud. On the contrary, it is still part of the same box, Pandora's box, showing that if you lose the capacity of creativity, or if you are one who can only think on hindsight, then not only will you be plagued by all sorts of troubles coming from all over, but you cannot really transform anything, you can only hope. Hope is the ultimate impotence... a blind feeling that has been praised to the skies in this age of Epimetheus.

And I think this is indeed the age of Epimetheus. Most of us spend an enormous amount of time looking backwards... to animals, plants and matter. In this spectrum, the idea we can come to about the human being is either that of an advanced ape (animal), or a being that is works by breeding and getting harvested (plant) or the worst in the direction of a mechanical programmable robot (minerals). On the same lines, the only question left to the future is that of "Is there any hope?" It is amazing to see how difficult it is to think out of the box, out of Pandora's box.

Prometheus, meanwhile, does not speak about hope... he acts, works, understands and predicts. He managed to bring fire, but it was not possible for him to get to work with it fully... he was chained through force and violence to the rock (mineral forces). He can only be creative in the mineral world (technology). It requires the efforts of Hercules, a saga in itself, to actually release Prometheus.

As to the present day, I am actually glad that hope is being killed... be it in the Tomorrow People, or Star Trek, or with Disney... because hope has been the opium of the masses for too long. Thanks to hope, few have taken up the initiative to learn about the world, as humans, and do anything, and instead simply watch and wait for something else. The majority are stuck with Epimetheus and hope, have little thought as Prometheus and you can forget about Hercules. The strength to work towards the future has to be from human knowledge and creativity, and not simply from a worldview or vision that gives hope. If hope is killed in TV and movies, at least then people can stop getting hypnotized by them, see them for the sham that they are, and go out and actually do something.
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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by dave432 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:32 pm

I feel we as a species are our own saviors. Humans have outgrown worshiping incarnate beings. We do not need the gods anymore. To all the ones who really helped us, a sincere thank you, but if worship is demanded as payment then no thank you. If humans were able to research and develop unhindered, we would be ready for an amazing future right now, without any help from "out there." The ET/ED thing is a bunch of hype anyway, at least the way it is being presented to us. We are the explorers of tomorrow. We'll build our own ships and make any outer space contacts ourselves.

Scientists need to be able to announce their findings online directly, then the engineers could get started on alternate ways to build and power amazing new bioenergy-safe tech based on the LM's mechanical vibration. Medicine would be transformed in the blink of an eye.The Dr. Crushers of the world would come to the surface and Asimov's positronic brain androids (or something of the sort) would be walking around contributing with all the rest of us. Artists could come back and paint, film or record something other than occult symbolism.

I have to keep reminding myself that the reason people are so out of it is because billions and billions of dollars are constantly being pumped into every walk of life, not just the media, convincing us that reality needs to be played out in a particular way. If this stopped today, people would wake up practically overnight and begin producing planet-safe solutions to all the problems we face.

I suppose I sound overly optimistic, but I really believe in who we are, that we are no better or worse than any other species in the Universe, and we have much to learn but also something to offer.

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Post by LoneBear » Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:00 pm

Windy wrote:I really feel that we are at a stage of turning things around. And yes it will come from each one of us. We have the capability, and I am on a search right now to find a place in the world to create a community based on rapport. I know there are already some communities like this functioning.
I've looked at a number of the existing communities, such as Findhorn and Damanhur, but make sure you dig deeper than what is on the surface. Though a number of them strive towards the concepts of rapport, they are still fixed in Tier 1 valuing, which means that when "push comes to shove," those rivalry drives of Tier 1 will take over to do the pushing and shoving. I know I'm a bit of a dreamer (my friends say that "I have my feet firmly planted in the clouds"), but I think it is possible for people to evolve enough to not only work in rapport, but to stay in rapport, regardless of the difficulties encountered. And if the Universe agrees with that, I have confidence that the resources will become available to make a "test community" happen.
Windy wrote:I really feel that the saviour way is a very narrow view of humanity, and humanity is ready to make this change now.
I certainly "hope" so! Though I agree with Gopi's view on "hope being killed," I would express it differently, more like the somewhat humorous concept put forth on ConsciousHugs concerning "hope porn." Better balance for the now-common concept of "fear porn" that I believe Wilcock started, a few years back.

Heck, how many people know that the famous Harry Potter charm, expecto patronum "expect patron" actually means, "hope for a savior?" since expecto does have the meaning of "anticipate" or "hope for," and patron is a defender, protector or provider--a savior. In that context it is a bit unsettling because even Rowlings is telling the children that are "breaking out" that their only hope against evil is to hope for a savior...!

My personal view is that I do not expect that humanity, as a species, will change much--but there is a small portion that is ready for the change, much like the first seeds of a new Garden (<--capitalized for subtext, for those that read my other post). But this time the garden is organic!
Windy wrote:Giving people space for this, outside of the view of competition and we will all surprise ourselves. This is just my humble opinion, and I am very excited for the future. I have found that the people on this forum and others are really helpful. I read a lot but don't post, until today. I just felt I should put in my point of view. I feel people are amazing and really resilient. I am currently living in a small town in Cambodia and know what these people have been through. Even so they show to me what we can overcome on a human level. With that I see how we can move forward together and create a new world. :)
I'm all for a better, more conscious world--but in baby steps, not all-inclusive "world orders" that are being dumped on us. Tier 2 thinking and concepts like rapport are still new to us. We need to learn how to walk, before we start running.
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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by Lozion » Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:28 pm

daniel wrote: I was just wondering if anyone here, outside of LoneBear, actually had a positive vision of the future... one that does not require a "savior" or natural disaster to turn things around (Project Blue Beam stuff)? Or has man made the choice to have no future???
It seems that choice has been made for man, not by man.
Lets recap the last couple of years: The climaxing barrage of element 118 pushers trying to sell us on the idea that the Cabal is on its last leg, the commiserating from alleged ET/ED "saviors/masters" via AI and other means, the cries for a currency reset and religious rehaul, co-opting of alternative energy projects, while politically we witnessed the recuperation of the Arab Spring devolving into massacres, assassinations (Bahrein, Libya, Egypt), rise of Salafism and the Syrian war as corollary, engineered protests in Ukraine to force a government change, Hillary in 2016, and so on ad ...

So apart from the Pope resigning and a few royalty stepping down, I would say the Family is doing pretty good administering its cattle and that the direction the cheptel is going is still decided by a few Hidden Hands who are masters at deception and managed a clever infiltration of the 'truth movement'.

So will the Novus Ordo seclore or not? Your guess is as good as mine but I made my choice and I'm out.
So have a few others it seems. I do have a positive vision for them.
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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by antiquatis user » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:48 am

I watched a TV program a few years ago on the Sikh community in a large Indian city (say Calcutta or Bombay).

The temple was the centre of community life. Everyone contributed something - money, labour, goods.
Nobody went hungry as anyone could eat at the temple at any time of the day or night.
Schoolchildren would go there after school to prepare chapatis etc
The adults would contribute food or money or work in the temple.
I don't think there was any compulsion and everyone put something in and if they wanted, they get something back in the free food available.
That is their culture and their mindset.
I thought it was a most wonderful community but I can't see it happening in the West as people are too selfish and self centered.
Most people are only prepared to give something if they thought the dividends exceed their contributions - witness the OPPT and Neil Keenan situations where people are asked to contribute in order to release funds which will yield millions in return. People with eyes like saucers when they hear these schemes deserve all that they get.
A situation where nearly everyone wants more than they put in is simply not sustainable.
That is also the explanation of when a democracy fails.

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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by daniel » Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:49 pm

Gopi wrote:And I think this is indeed the age of Epimetheus.
The "Age of Epimetheus"... I like it, particularly since Enki is often identified as Prometheus (though makes a better Poseidon).
Gopi wrote:On the same lines, the only question left to the future is that of "Is there any hope?" It is amazing to see how difficult it is to think out of the box, out of Pandora's box.
To me, that is a moot question because there is always hope--at least when viewed the way my generation (and older) defines it. I have noticed with all this Keenan and OPPT crap that "hope" has gotten very materialistic in the younger generations, being a cross between a promise and an expectation for a "delivered product." For me, hope is defined more along the lines that you define the concept of "infinity," that of potential and the possibility for situations that arise to promote the evolution of consciousness--the great and limitless unknown.
Gopi wrote:As to the present day, I am actually glad that hope is being killed... be it in the Tomorrow People, or Star Trek, or with Disney... because hope has been the opium of the masses for too long.
I am glad that the pornography of both hope and fear are seeing their last days. And don't forget to include Buddha, Allah, Shiva, Vishnu, Jehovah and all the other gods, promising the hope of an eternity of bliss... Mr. Spock and Hanuman will be sharing the same grave!
dave432 wrote:I feel we as a species are our own saviors. Humans have outgrown worshiping incarnate beings. We do not need the gods anymore. To all the ones who really helped us, a sincere thank you, but if worship is demanded as payment then no thank you. If humans were able to research and develop unhindered, we would be ready for an amazing future right now, without any help from "out there." The ET/ED thing is a bunch of hype anyway, at least the way it is being presented to us. We are the explorers of tomorrow. We'll build our own ships and make any outer space contacts ourselves.
Well said, Dave! We need to not only stop looking back at the mineral and vegetable kingdoms, but those "kingdoms of gods" as well, and take back the transference of the ascendent function (normally passed off to J.H. Christ) and make it part of our own, human expression.
dave432 wrote:Scientists need to be able to announce their findings online directly, then the engineers could get started on alternate ways to build and power amazing new bioenergy-safe tech based on the LM's mechanical vibration. Medicine would be transformed in the blink of an eye.The Dr. Crushers of the world would come to the surface and Asimov's positronic brain androids (or something of the sort) would be walking around contributing with all the rest of us. Artists could come back and paint, film or record something other than occult symbolism.
And that has gotten far worse in the last 30 years. I just saw on a news report that world governments are now trying to classify an "insider leak" as a treasonous act--and the penalty for treason, if you don't know, is death.

What is really needed is a not just a re-evaluation of Larson's Reciprocal System, but knowledge, itself. Most of the concepts we deal with were first introduced centuries, if not millennia, ago. Few people ever question them, not matter how bizarre they seem in light of modern thinking. Conventional science, religion and spiritualists will not do that, because they are too vested in the current system. In my day, it was known that significant breakthroughs never come from the "experts" in a field. It's the guy in the garage, or waitress in the coffee house that has that peak experience, and makes a wonderful discovery. And now... it's becoming a crime!
dave432 wrote:I have to keep reminding myself that the reason people are so out of it is because billions and billions of dollars are constantly being pumped into every walk of life, not just the media, convincing us that reality needs to be played out in a particular way. If this stopped today, people would wake up practically overnight and begin producing planet-safe solutions to all the problems we face.
From a mechanical viewpoint, we all have about the same potential; roughly the same size brain and capacity to reason, similar physical abilities, etc., so it's got to be the "software," not the hardware. But breaking highly-reinforced patterns is not an easy task, such as belief in "gods" or the Big Bang. There was an interesting solution proposed in an old, black & white film from 1951, called The Day the Earth Stood Still. If you've never seen it, watch it, if you get the opportunity. It's a classic (ignore the 2008 remake--junk), to see how just one alien managed to change the way the world thought, in just an hour.
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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by daniel » Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:59 pm

Lozion wrote:It seems that choice has been made for man, not by man.
I would phrase that as "that choice has been made for slaves, not for man."
Lozion wrote:So will the Novus Ordo seclore or not? Your guess is as good as mine but I made my choice and I'm out.
So have a few others it seems. I do have a positive vision for them.
LOL... don't know if this was a Freudian slip or not... but seclore is a compound word, sec-lore, meaning "his whip." I'm sure the seclorum would love to whip mankind into shape!

I have also made my choice, to "opt out" not through paperwork, but through the evolution of consciousness. Though you might want to consider what a "positive vision" for a slave actually is...
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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by Arcelius » Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:39 am

antiquatis user wrote:Have you read the Thiaoouba Prophecy?
There's a wonderful description of a home there (from pg 60)
I had never heard of it before. However, it is available as a free eBook and I did read it. I thought it was quite interesting and their description of a home and home/community life was also. Definitely worth the time to read it.

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Post by Lozion » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:36 pm

I would phrase that as "that choice has been made for slaves, not for man."
Ok, so let me ask you why would man, who has made the choice to opt out, would not want a better future? Doesnt make sense to me. To leave the herd is to graze on your own, not to jump off a cliff.
LOL... don't know if this was a Freudian slip or not... but seclore is a compound word, sec-lore, meaning "his whip." I'm sure the seclorum would love to whip mankind into shape!
Didnt know that latin meister :). French being my mother tongue, from seclorum we get eclore which means to burgeon, so "from whom the New Order comes".
I have also made my choice, to "opt out" not through paperwork, but through the evolution of consciousness. Though you might want to consider what a "positive vision" for a slave actually is...


Paperwork? Never saw that form before...
Not sure what you mean by "positive vision" for a slave, apart from a hammer hit to the skull to end the misery.
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Post by Ilkka » Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:49 pm

Lozion wrote:Not sure what you mean by "positive vision" for a slave, apart from a hammer hit to the skull to end the misery.
If you have an hammer just bash the chains that hold you as a slave not the head that kills you mate. Thats more positive vision.
Lozion wrote:Ok, so let me ask you why would man, who has made the choice to opt out, would not want a better future? Doesnt make sense to me.
I think you misunderstood his meaning, maybe lost in translation. I think he is trying to say that "the choice to have no future has been made for slaves, not for man as in ethical man/human and the original inhabitants of earth."

Or maybe I misunderstood, however I think this is what he meant that people voluntarily think that the humankind doesnt have a future, or atleast "bright one". So they just keep on doing the same things on and on again till dying off, without meaning what so ever. So I stand corrected.

I like to think that there is not much of a meaning in life, because I tend to ponder alot and think afar into the future sometimes. I used to think that nothing really matters, pretty dull person I am, maybe nothing really matters to me, but someone else might think otherwise, and see me as a freak of nature and think that I'm a some sort of "heartless" bastard, which in some cases I might even be, but that doesnt mean I dont respect everybody else as individuals.
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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by maeghan » Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:42 pm

We don't need an external savior, we just need to look within and realize our full potential. Once we do that we will be free. Many of has have done that ... it will spread and more people will wake up because some of us already have. I see a future where we are all free; where we no longer live by the the concept of the 'fittest' to survive.

Go to this site here and watch the trailer for this movie .. it's a teaser but it's got a good soliloquy. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816692/?ref_=vi_tt_t

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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by daniel » Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:06 am

Lozion wrote:It seems that choice has been made for man, not by man.
I would phrase that as "that choice has been made for slaves, not for man."
Ok, so let me ask you why would man, who has made the choice to opt out, would not want a better future? Doesnt make sense to me. To leave the herd is to graze on your own, not to jump off a cliff.
It seems the context has changed, as LB discussed in another post. Your original statement said that man had NOT made a choice, so he (mankind) did not "opt out" at all. It also infers that something non-man (not human) DID made a choice regarding the future of mankind, and based on observation, that future is slavery.

My clarification is that the future designated by non-man is for slaves. I consider "man" to be an evolving creature (ethicus), so I split out the man (those who make their own choice) and slaves (voluntary servitude to non-man), so man HAS the opt-out option.
Lozion wrote:Didnt know that latin meister :). French being my mother tongue, from seclorum we get eclore which means to burgeon, so "from whom the New Order comes".
I've always been fascinated by the etymology of words and phrases. English, itself, means the language to "end quarrels" (where as French is the language of diplomacy). English has its roots in Latin, which was the global "merchant tongue" of the old days. You can probably see how English derived from Latin, as merchants screwed customers that resulted in quarrels, which required legal resolution.
Lozion wrote:Paperwork? Never saw that form before...
Try OPPT, the Sovereign States project, almost any Patriot seminar... all sorts of forms to "opt out," which just give the banking cabal a good laugh.
Lozion wrote:Not sure what you mean by "positive vision" for a slave, apart from a hammer hit to the skull to end the misery.
You may want to research the western slave subculture... there are a good number of people that DESIRE slavery, and spend their life looking for someone else to run theirs. Though the legal arrangement is a contract for voluntary servitude, because slavery is outlawed in most countries, the mentality of "I live to serve" is still there. I've spoken to some of these slaves and that mindset is fully in place. And I will admit, I cannot comprehend why anyone would want that lifestyle. The entire psyche is transferred to someone else.
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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by Lozion » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:29 pm

daniel wrote: It seems the context has changed, as LB discussed in another post. Your original statement said that man had NOT made a choice, so he (mankind) did not "opt out" at all. It also infers that something non-man (not human) DID made a choice regarding the future of mankind, and based on observation, that future is slavery.
My clarification is that the future designated by non-man is for slaves. I consider "man" to be an evolving creature (ethicus), so I split out the man (those who make their own choice) and slaves (voluntary servitude to non-man), so man HAS the opt-out option.
Yes yes we agree, The distinction needed to be made.

I've always been fascinated by the etymology of words and phrases. English, itself, means the language to "end quarrels" (where as French is the language of diplomacy). English has its roots in Latin, which was the global "merchant tongue" of the old days. You can probably see how English derived from Latin, as merchants screwed customers that resulted in quarrels, which required legal resolution.
Indeed, vulgar latin was commonly used by the ruling gallo-roman class during the 400 years of occupation, hence the low numbers of brythonic words. Incidently, I was just reading about that period to try to understand why Rome never attempted to invade Hibernia even though they tried and did control Caledonia through proxy.
I suspect it has something to do with our little friends...
Try OPPT, the Sovereign States project, almost any Patriot seminar... all sorts of forms to "opt out," which just give the banking cabal a good laugh.
Very true! I meant it in jest, I should've added italics.

You may want to research the western slave subculture... there are a good number of people that DESIRE slavery, and spend their life looking for someone else to run theirs. Though the legal arrangement is a contract for voluntary servitude, because slavery is outlawed in most countries, the mentality of "I live to serve" is still there. I've spoken to some of these slaves and that mindset is fully in place. And I will admit, I cannot comprehend why anyone would want that lifestyle. The entire psyche is transferred to someone else.
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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by maeghan » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:02 pm

So you guys don't foresee a future where we are no longer confined by the limitations that the ruling few have decided for the general population?

Maybe I'm too much of an idealist; I want our future to be one where our free-will is respected.

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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by Lozion » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:15 pm

maeghan wrote:So you guys don't foresee a future where we are no longer confined by the limitations that the ruling few have decided for the general population?

Maybe I'm too much of an idealist; I want our future to be one where our free-will is respected.

I would say there as and will always be a future for the few who travel on a separate path then the general population. Its the way free will is respected.

No more ET/ED/Messiah/Superwave/GalacticSun/Event/Ascension/harvest for me

edit: added harvest to that list...
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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by Djchrismac » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:26 pm

Lozion wrote:I was just reading about that period to try to understand why Rome never attempted to invade Hibernia even though they tried and did control Caledonia through proxy.
I suspect it has something to do with our little friends...
Great spot! : :)

I'm reading this just now and loving it, I think you'll like it...

The Fairy-Faith in Celtic Countries, by W. Y. Evans Wentz
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/34853/34 ... 4853-h.htm
maeghan wrote:So you guys don't foresee a future where we are no longer confined by the limitations that the ruling few have decided for the general population?
I won't rest until we do see it!

Here's a good quote I recently read in the book above:
‘When the fallen angels were cast out of Heaven God commanded them thus:—“You will go to take up your abodes in crevices, under the earth, in mounds, or soil, or rocks.” And according to this command they have been condemned to inhabit the places named for a certain period of time, and when it is expired before the consummation of the world, they will be seen as numerous as ever.’
Marian MacLean of Barra, and her Testimony
I suspect it has something to do with our little friends... :D :D :D
Jones: [looks at Sallah] You said their headpiece only had markings on one side, are you absolutely sure? [Sallah nods] Belloq's staff is too long.
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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by Lozion » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:32 pm

Djchrismac wrote: I'm reading this just now and loving it, I think you'll like it...

The Fairy-Faith in Celtic Countries, by W. Y. Evans Wentz
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/34853/34 ... 4853-h.htm
Yikes, 900 pages... Can we get the Mac notes? :lol:
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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by Ilkka » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:54 pm

Djchrismac wrote:
maeghan wrote:So you guys don't foresee a future where we are no longer confined by the limitations that the ruling few have decided for the general population?
I won't rest until we do see it!
Good luck with the major insomnia mate :D

I'm sorry, I like to go into details alot, a little nitpicking can't hurt now can it.

I'm not sure, but I dont use energy into thinking so far ahead into future. I just live one day at a time and dont make future plans very far. Never did give honest answer to those who asked "where would you be after 10 years" ten years ago, just said to them that "hopefully have a job and a family"... and now after ten years, no job and no family of my own. I never have had the foresight or I tend to lose focus and memory of the things that I imagine and think of. Its like us always in motion. Nothing lasts... But nothing is lost. (names of two tracks from Shpongle, from album "Nothing lasts")

I think there is future for us ahead, but I'm realist and simply cant imagine what it would be like. Maybe I'm too much of a pedantic for taking all the variations into equations. My father has told me that I'm so pedantic. In some cases its good to be exact. Thats why I went to be a laboratorian/lab assitant, have been one for over 10 years now.
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Re: Denigration of the Future

Post by Gopi » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:49 pm

daniel wrote:The "Age of Epimetheus"... I like it, particularly since Enki is often identified as Prometheus (though makes a better Poseidon).
Yes, I think Enki has similar characteristics.
daniel wrote:I am glad that the pornography of both hope and fear are seeing their last days. And don't forget to include Buddha, Allah, Shiva, Vishnu, Jehovah and all the other gods, promising the hope of an eternity of bliss... Mr. Spock and Hanuman will be sharing the same grave!
I see what you did there! I did notice that Hanuman has disappeared from the Antiquatis logo... the end of an era I guess. Since hope and fear were constituents of Pandora's box, do we have to project that onto everything outside the box? That is not out-of-the-box thinking.

Let me clarify once more how it appears with this "dump all the gods" theory. I have attempted to do that here and here but curiously there was no response. Let us say you slip and fall, realize that the forces of electricity, magnetism, and gravity combined are responsible for creating the bang, the bleeding knee, and the lingering pain. So now that you realize what forces were involved in the whole situation, you can say "Gravity is pulling me, electricity and magnetism are pulling and pushing me around, I do not want anything to influence me any more, so I will cut the chains to Gravity and Magnetism and dump them down the drain, and become free!" What sense does that make, from any angle?

Knowing how things invert upon crossing a unit boundary, it does appear that this is simply the polar opposite of the Christian Evangelism. In other words, "dump the gods" is the SAME thing as "worship and wait for a savior" seen from the other side, hence whatever region the soul has accessed, it has become a Christian Evangelist. In waking life the polar opposite is being seen, instead of the polarity being resolved.
dave432 wrote:I feel we as a species are our own saviors.
Have you considered the idea that with humans, every individual human being is a species? That is why animals have a group ego, the ego is center for the species, and in humans, every human has one. That fact has been downplayed to keep us thinking of ourselves as animals, subconsciously. If humans are a "species", then they WILL require a "savior" to take over the Ego function. If you think of humans as one species, then no matter what you might say, you are begging for a savior!
dave432 wrote:Humans have outgrown worshiping incarnate beings.
daniel wrote:Well said, Dave! We need to not only stop looking back at the mineral and vegetable kingdoms, but those "kingdoms of gods" as well, and take back the transference of the ascendent function (normally passed off to J.H. Christ) and make it part of our own, human expression.
So why don't we simply reject the mineral and vegetable kingdoms, and stop interacting with them, stop touching, eating or breathing? Take back the transference, yes, but rejecting them?

Besides, you guys do realize that you are coming to this conclusion two millennia after it was first taught? It was during the time of the Roman Caesars that humans began worshiping incarnate beings as gods, the Caesars. Since we are on the topic, that was when the corrective teaching came forward that there was no more necessity to do that:
The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS '?"
The coverup of such a dangerous idea was immediately in effect (LoneBear: "or that Jesus was a creation of the Flavian Caesars to trick the violent and about-to-rebel Hebrews into believing that General Titus Flavius was the Messiah?") but I see that here the coverup is being treated as the main line, and the main line being treated as a cover up! Which fact would likely encounter resistance, the blasphemous one that human beings are gods themselves, or that they have to worship another Caesar at a time when everyone was worshiping them anyway? It takes a while for things to be understood, but really, two millennia? Pull that Ego transfer inward and get moving already!

I find it surprising that there is enormous enthusiasm to conquer space, build ships, etc, but very little interest in understanding time, how one time affects the other, how one era changes into the other, and why things have a time for everything. With that missing, folks will be perfectly positioned to accept any old thing as a "novelty". That is one thing that is bothering me a bit... that the concepts are there (Time Lord, for example) but not really applied, more like empty shells. And of course, with time taken out of the picture, delusion sets in that all progress would be instantaneous, like this:
dave432 wrote: Medicine would be transformed in the blink of an eye....If this stopped today, people would wake up practically overnight...
The perfect setup for today's impatient generation... instant pills.
daniel wrote:What is really needed is a not just a re-evaluation of Larson's Reciprocal System, but knowledge, itself. Most of the concepts we deal with were first introduced centuries, if not millennia, ago. Few people ever question them, not matter how bizarre they seem in light of modern thinking.

Precisely, I am fully in agreement with that... it's what this whole thread is all about. Larson took the first steps, in my opinion, in bringing the importance of time on par with the importance of space, while previously it was simply 3D space. That will have to be taken forward into a real "time research". Is anyone up for that?
daniel wrote:From a mechanical viewpoint, we all have about the same potential; roughly the same size brain and capacity to reason, similar physical abilities, etc., so it's got to be the "software," not the hardware. But breaking highly-reinforced patterns is not an easy task, such as belief in "gods" or the Big Bang.
Funnily enough, neither is it an easy task to break the pattern of seeing things "from a mechanical viewpoint" or in terms of software and hardware! That chain to the rock is as real as can be...
It is time.

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