I tip my hat to everyone that has posted here so far. Very interesting and stimulating conversation!
Wonderful food for thought. I'd like to add to the mix
Gopi wrote:As to the present day, I am actually glad that hope is being killed... be it in the Tomorrow People, or Star Trek, or with Disney... because hope has been the opium of the masses for too long. Thanks to hope, few have taken up the initiative to learn about the world, as humans, and do anything, and instead simply watch and wait for something else.
As Bashar once quoted a bumper sticker that said "One day I gave up all hope, and felt MUCH better since." Very appropriate in the context you mention Gopi.
LoneBear wrote:I'm all for a better, more conscious world--but in baby steps, not all-inclusive "world orders" that are being dumped on us. Tier 2 thinking and concepts like rapport are still new to us. We need to learn how to walk, before we start running.
Probably the way it will be evolving anyway. Just like strong family units are the foundation of any community, and a collection of strong communities the foundation for any strong regional governance, so I can imagine it being the best way to implement a new way of thinking in scalable communities - starting small, and as things WORK, the communities grow and thrive.
Anyways, I will be on here often. I probably wont post much since I feel most of you don't really need my input.
LoneBear wrote:Something I have found in my life is that you learn the most, and the fastest, when you try to explain something to others. There is no "right" or "wrong," only different levels of understanding. And keep in mind that old saying, "as above, so below." When you try to help others, or just contribute what you know, you're also helping yourself. So feel free to post; you never know what you might contribute to help others along their path.
Many times, by expressing your own experience and perspective, you enable others to see through your eyes - and by doing that, you inspire and trigger new ways of thinking and understanding in others. Please feel free to share and ask and give input.
daniel wrote:For me, hope is defined more along the lines that you define the concept of "infinity," that of potential and the possibility for situations that arise to promote the evolution of consciousness--the great and limitless unknown.
I believe the way we define concepts (i.e. our definitions of them) are just as important as exploring concepts themselves. The way you define hope is a much more practical way. One that is based on enthusiasm, curiosity, creativity. Perhaps I dare to say, the divine nature in us with the power to create. Hope with power behind it - not passivity.
I feel we as a species are our own saviors. Humans have outgrown worshiping incarnate beings. We do not need the gods anymore. To all the ones who really helped us, a sincere thank you, but if worship is demanded as payment then no thank you. If humans were able to research and develop unhindered, we would be ready for an amazing future right now, without any help from "out there." The ET/ED thing is a bunch of hype anyway, at least the way it is being presented to us. We are the explorers of tomorrow. We'll build our own ships and make any outer space contacts ourselves.
daniel wrote:Well said, Dave! We need to not only stop looking back at the mineral and vegetable kingdoms, but those "kingdoms of gods" as well, and take back the transference of the ascendent function (normally passed off to J.H. Christ) and make it part of our own, human expression.
I agree with Dave, but I think the roman version of JC as a response is being confused with the one that said the following:
John 15 "15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you."
Doesn't look like we're supposed to be slaves, neither forced, nor voluntary. Neither were any ascendent function nor responsibility for it "given away" as described in another verse where we're all responsible for the "working out of our own salvation" - and that word salvation does not mean someone else doing it for us, either.
John 14 "12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."
Oh, look at that. Its not going to be done for us, he's leaving, and he's saying we got it in ourselves to the stuff he did, and more. So why does it say "because I go unto my Father" ?
John 14 "6 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you."
Cool, so he had a show and tell, and basically said, now its time to take responsibility - and we don't need other people teaching us what to do. We will know it by the spirit.
Just a confirmation that we don't need religious people dictating stuff to us:
1 John 2:27 " But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you and you do not need that anyone teach you;"
It goes further. The point of it all is actually union with the Creator. Now what does that imply? It implies equality with the Creator:
Ephesians 5:31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”[e] 32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church."
Plenty of backup material for this, but that summarizes things as follows:
1. JC was talking pretty much most of the time about thinking differently, about a non-materialistic and a non-religious way of doing things. Best symbolism to use was the word "kingdom" because that's what people understood. He was against religion too, and he was not self-promoting nor did he start a religion. He only wanted people to get to know this different way of thinking and doing things, showing us how, and that we have a responsibility not to keep it to ourselves. People twisted that into organized religion about making proselytes driven by fear of punishment. JC never promoted even the sentiment of it.
2. A lot of misunderstanding of things JC said can point to it seeming as if he is promoting himself as a savior, but in fact what he was doing was pointing the way to liberty from materialistic and other forms of limitation by showing it through the way he lived. He taught about taking responsibility - certainly neither passivity in hope, nor domination through force. When Peter cut off the ear of some dude that was trying to arrest JC, he was reprimanded for it. When JC sent people to witness, he told them to dust off their feet if they were rejected - not force or persuade people. Which, by the way, is a very symbolic thing - dust falling from a person deemed anointed was seen as a transference medium of spiritual power. So the idea is to actually unconditionally bless a place, despite rejection.
3. The end-game goal is for everyone to walk in liberty from every single form of bondage - including the need to have to reincarnate the whole time (eternal or perpetual death, i.e. having to keep dying the whole time in every lifetime). For everyone to be "co-heirs" of everything JC was talking about (and that's a quote, yes).
So in conclusion, the whole picture of some tyrannical politically-motivated power being behind every single act and word connected with a dude with the name Jesus Christ, is just ridiculous. The very same material being criticized contradicts the criticism.