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Technology Compression

Post by LoneBear » Sun May 17, 2015 8:31 am

Gopi had a very interesting insight with regards to technology in India... I was telling him of the "old days" of "slide rule holsters" and "pocket protectors," and how technology was slowly introduced over decades... first, the "4-banger" calculator (just add, subtract, multiply and divide), then the sophisticated one with memory and a square-root function (my later High School days). College saw the first of the floating-point, scientific calculators, the TI-59, in which you could hit the keys "2nd 1 RCL INV 2nd 1 TANH" and jam it up (yes, people actually figured out these things). Only last year I got to the calculator "app" on my tablet.
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But back in India, he got basically all of these technologies in a "grab bag" within a few years of each other... they showed up in parallel, not in series, so the line of development from mechanical adding machines to sophisticated digital electronics was missing. They appeared as if by magic, and like all magic, people know how to say the spells but rarely understand how they work. And when it breaks, you just buy a new one--because you haven't a clue as to how it actually works, so you could never build one, yourself.

This is what we used to call, Future Shock.

I am curious to know if this situation has occurred in other countries. My generation got it bit-at-a-time, but the younger generations here are definitely showing all the signs of Future Shock, en masse.
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Re: Technology Compression

Post by pgolde » Sun May 17, 2015 4:28 pm

Future Shock, Since most things these days are microprocessor based, there really is no repair but to replace chips and boards if possible, if not, throw it away. From my professional experience with OEMs, it is very difficult to get in touch with someone who is even aware of their own product line. Siemens for instance has a tech support dept. to handle issues with the product lines it manufacturers. When I run into an issue with a product, I end up with a "specialist" for the product who for the majority of issues hasn't a clue what is wrong. The only ones who would know are the design engineers. If your issue is brought to their attention, they say hmmm, fix it, and come out with a patch fix release. It is not Just Siemens, I have dealt with this stuff for over 20 years. Point being, everyone is "specialized" and no one has a clue about the whole product. If this exists at that level, how is average Joe going to fair with this stuff, never mind build anything himself.
Is this by design? There used to use be "built in obsolescence", but this takes that to a new level. Throw it away, get a new one, don't think about it.
I do frequent DIY forums and there are a lot of people still doing it themselves. Come to think of it, most are old timers, the kids jump in to the forums and want it all done for them, with a special arrogance, or ignorance. I take pride in gathering a pile of junk and making something useful out of it rather than supporting the "global economy"

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Re: Technology Compression

Post by Ilkka » Sun May 17, 2015 5:05 pm

LoneBear wrote:And when it breaks, you just buy a new one--because you haven't a clue as to how it actually works, so you could never build one, yourself.
I remember this one stand up show where the guy tells things about old Nintendo gaming console, I remember the 8-bit Nintendo as the earliest, this one friend of mine had that one. For me and my brothers our first console was Sega 16-bit. Game cartridges were kinda similar, needed to blow in them to get em to work again or just hit the console, not too hard though :D

Anyhow nowadays they make all things so fragile and sensitive that they break easily. Look at the cell phones for one. Nokia 3110 or 3310, harder than diamond they were. I had one of those or actually I think both models at different times. My dad had a Nokia(cant remember the exact model but it was one of the older "bricks" back then in mid-late 90s) cell phone as a work phone while working for "Kone" that is a big elevator company. One day he was on the roof of an elevator making some repairs and he bends over and the phone slips and falls down the elevator shaft. When he gets the phone and puts all the parts back together it works as it did before.

I know that I cant build any of my electrical devices myself (the likes we have nowadays so complex), and I dont even want to find out how I could make a new computer out of some raw materials. Actually I have very basic understanding of how to make circuit board, just need some copper sheets on a plastic and a plastic film with marker pen to draw what I want. We did that kind of very basic circuit board in school when I was 14-15 years old. I have learned alot of basic things and got an basic understanding of alot of things, if not all things. Well, agriculture is something that I have very little knowledge about, other than just add water and give em sunlight, sometimes give em a little bit of fertilizers, natural (feces and wee) or unnatural (chemicals such as potassium nitrate etc.). I can also use my "common sense" in all things, something that might not be so common anymore for some that is.
• People of post-industrial society change their profession and their workplace often. People have to change professions because professions quickly become outdated. People of post-industrial society thus have many careers in a lifetime. The knowledge of an engineer becomes outdated in ten years. People look more and more for temporary jobs.
This thing is a pain in the "mickta" for my current profession of lab assistant, cant find a job because too many unemployed laboratorians within this 100 km radius. The chance is like 1:150 to get a job, no kidding.
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Re: Technology Compression

Post by Moose » Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:52 pm

Lonebear wrote:I am curious to know if this situation has occurred in other countries. My generation got it bit-at-a-time, but the younger generations here are definitely showing all the signs of Future Shock, en masse.
I find that most of the people in my local area(eastern canada) are affected by future shock, I even find myself affected by it and I have a basic understanding of how these "Iphones" work. Anyway, I know a person who is Inuit (family friend) and she recently bought one of those iphones and is having a really hard time trying to understand the functions, I tried to explain how some of the features worked to her but I knew she wasn't able to understand so I just showed her. I was thinking about how big of a jump in technology that must be for her and I gotta say seeing her with one of those phones in her hand looks so weird, kinda like seeing a snowman in a desert just so out of place. :lol:

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Re: Technology Compression

Post by LoneBear » Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:56 am

Moose wrote:I find that most of the people in my local area(eastern canada) are affected by future shock, I even find myself affected by it and I have a basic understanding of how these "Iphones" work.
Being an EE/CS major, I know how they work--which is why I won't use one. I did not mind my old "bag phone" that had a handset connected by a long cord to the transceiver... at least that was a little safer.
Moose wrote:Anyway, I know a person who is Inuit (family friend) and she recently bought one of those iphones and is having a really hard time trying to understand the functions, I tried to explain how some of the features worked to her but I knew she wasn't able to understand so I just showed her. I was thinking about how big of a jump in technology that must be for her and I gotta say seeing her with one of those phones in her hand looks so weird, kinda like seeing a snowman in a desert just so out of place. :lol:
I know what that is like. My grandmother was head of her bowling team, and could not figure out how to "bowl" with a joystick and pixels on a screen, on the old Atari 2600. We though it was funny then. Too bad it has become serious now.

This little quote from Jurassic Park (the first film) sums it up what is going on now, quite nicely. All you have to do is replace "genetic power" with "computing power" and "John" is the multinational companies pushing this tech:
Jurassic Park wrote:Malcolm: Gee, the lack of humility before nature that's being displayed here... staggers me.

Yeah. Don't you see the danger, John, inherent in what you're doing here? Genetic [computer] power is the most awesome force the planet's ever seen, but you wield it like a kid that's found his dad's gun.

I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here.... it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You know, you read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it.

You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, packaged it and slapped it on a plastic lunch box [arm band]. And now you're selling it. You wanna sell it.

Hammond: I, I don't think you're giving us our due credit. Our scientists have done things which nobody's ever done before.

Malcolm: Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
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Re: Technology Compression

Post by Moose » Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:16 pm

LoneBear wrote: Being an EE/CS major, I know how they work--which is why I won't use one. I did not mind my old "bag phone" that had a handset connected by a long cord to the transceiver... at least that was a little safer.
I bet now if you were to walk around with one of those bag phone most people would think you were carrying around a bomb especially if you started dialing it.
LoneBear wrote:This little quote from Jurassic Park (the first film) sums it up what is going on now, quite nicely. All you have to do is replace "genetic power" with "computing power" and "John" is the multinational companies pushing this tech:
Yeah that's pretty much what's been going on. Makes me wonder what people would do if all those companies all of a sudden stopped making new phones and technology and dropped support for the current ones.

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