What happens to children of hypochondriac parents?

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What happens to children of hypochondriac parents?

Post by zenmaster » Sun May 20, 2007 6:09 pm

Bipolar children - is the US overdiagnosing? wrote:Rebecca Riley seemed a normal, playful young child, if at times a little boisterous. Then, aged 2, she was diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and at 3 as having a bipolar personality. By the age of 4, Rebecca was dead, killed by an overdose of the drug clonidine, which was being used to treat her condition. She was also taking the anti-convulsant Depakote (valproate) and the anti-psychotic Seroquel (quetiapine fumarate) to stabilise her mood.
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Re: What happens to children of hypochondriac parents?

Post by LoneBear » Tue May 22, 2007 1:15 pm

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Bipolar children - is the US overdiagnosing? wrote:Rebecca Riley seemed a normal, playful young child, if at times a little boisterous. Then, aged 2, she was diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and at 3 as having a bipolar personality. By the age of 4, Rebecca was dead, killed by an overdose of the drug clonidine, which was being used to treat her condition. She was also taking the anti-convulsant Depakote (valproate) and the anti-psychotic Seroquel (quetiapine fumarate) to stabilise her mood.
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My question is: is this a real problem, or just using chemicals to repress an adaptive change to environment in the younger generations?

One of the things that the RS2 research indicates is that all systems of motion will tend towards minimum energy. In all other words, all systems will try to balance imbalanced systems, naturally. Hot things in a cold environment will cool and warm the local area slightly, cold heating up, hot cooling down.

These bipolar disorders would naturally do the same thing, UNLESS there was another "energy" that kept the pendulum swinging... and active force that is not understood through physiology or psychology. It is not chemicals that are needed to repress the adaptation, but understanding to allow the change to occur without resistance. This kind of "breaking out" of the repressed energy would then lead to a new state of balance, internally, by adapting the existing systems to use the new energy properly.

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Re: What happens to children of hypochondriac parents?

Post by zenmaster » Tue May 22, 2007 6:26 pm

The human system is complex though as far as ongoing balancing of and interrelationship of its parts. You could break up these parts into structural, neurological, biochemical, psycho-emotional, mental, and spiritual categories, for example. Mental disorders (that is a commonly identified collection of symptoms) can have a contributing "cause" in one or more of these categories.

So presumably the particular therapy used is an attempt to restore balance. But typically this treatment is done with a rather reduced perspective of the human condition. There tends to be no treatment of the individual as an interrelated collection of parts forming a whole system. My understanding is that proper treatment would involve 1) conscious participation of both doctor and patient, 2) a proper identification of the affected parts, and 3) an identification of the desired natural (whole) state to have.

At the psychological level, knowing the right question to ask usually creates an instantaneous answer. The answers, in turn, tend to generate more questions - some ready for clear answers, some not. I think this process can be seen as analogous to the ongoing health balancing of a whole organism. If all health problems were malformed questions seeking answers, then knowing the correct questions would restore health. The allopathic view is to shove poor, ready-made answers (to the poorly identified questions), down one's throat as it were.

Also, I think the general health of the mother during pregnancy plays an important role in the early emotional/mental developmental health of the child. Different types of trauma can be induced (and therefore require restorative balance) in the fragile fetus due to lack of certain essential vitamins and minerals, or from ingestion of harmful chemicals. Kid could come out with a lot of wires crossed if its development was compromised. A particular allopathic treatment could render natural corrective measures impossible.

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Re: What happens to children of hypochondriac parents?

Post by LoneBear » Wed May 23, 2007 7:42 pm

What I am trying to point out is that we "heal" people to certain societal norms, not to their level of health. The norm is based on a valuing system. There is the red "survival of the fittest", in which the sick are simply allowed to die. There is the faith healing of blue, the chemicals of orange, and the herbs of green. Education is now a business (orange), so chemical cures are forced on anyone outside what orange defines as a norm. Thus, any Tier 2 kids will be considered anti-social freaks that need to be cured of their social illness, and become part of the Orange Collective.

I wonder if "just say 'no' to drugs" can also apply to Ritalin, and the other stuff pushed on kids not conforming to the corporate norm?

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Re: What happens to children of hypochondriac parents?

Post by zenmaster » Wed May 23, 2007 8:44 pm

What I am trying to point out is that we "heal" people to certain societal norms, not to their level of health. The norm is based on a valuing system.
There is a fairly compelling survival instinct at all levels that directs our attention to basic health-related needs. Of course vMeme valuing systems frame what is considered to contribute to health, but at the basic body-care level, the awareness is there.
There is the red "survival of the fittest", in which the sick are simply allowed to die.
Red is a level where the individual, such as a teenager learns to assert themselves, and to secure power, in order to develop an identity, for example. This process is necessarily at the expense of the various needs of the community, but not typically for the immediate family group or tribe. In the west we're supposed to grow out of Red as we grow out of adolesence, but it shows up as delayed adolescence in hip-hop culture, for example.

Each vMeme has both healthy and unhealthy aspects. The former allows balanced growth up the spiral, the latter creates challenges to growth or imbalance. A health attitude that one may have at a particular vMeme could either promote or deter healing. But an individual can have a completely healthy balance in any vMeme and likewise a vMeme collective can promote a healthy balance to itself. The psyche does tend to have its pathologies, regardess of the valuing systems used. I think it's an important to understand that the vMeme itself only dictates how the pathology can be expressed and these expressions can be stereotypical as you described, but it does not generate the pathology itself.

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Re: What happens to children of hypochondriac parents?

Post by Starlight* » Sun May 27, 2007 11:11 pm

Interesting topic.

What I am trying to point out is that we "heal" people to certain societal norms, not to their level of health. The norm is based on a valuing system. There is the red "survival of the fittest", in which the sick are simply allowed to die. There is the faith healing of blue, the chemicals of orange, and the herbs of green. Education is now a business (orange), so chemical cures are forced on anyone outside what orange defines as a norm. Thus, any Tier 2 kids will be considered anti-social freaks that need to be cured of their social illness, and become part of the Orange Collective.

I wonder if "just say 'no' to drugs" can also apply to Ritalin, and the other stuff pushed on kids not conforming to the corporate norm?

Societal norms? according to who's perception? That would have a temporary effect, speaking in terms of the larger picture. What happened to the discussion about energy working through one to one.

which brings your other quote to light an active force that is not understood through physiology or psychology, I will add, which works with the soul through one's efforts, the energies are there for anyone to harness. Other's have an influence to a certain extent. The highest power is Creator.

When arriving at Tier 2, does it really matter what others think? But then, you are discussing kids, you have a point. In that case, they have those that understand. :wink:


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