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Post by LoneBear » Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:33 am

I hear that the Discovery Channel did a feature on "Doomsday 2012", which I missed. One of the prophets they quoted was Mother Shipton, whom I had forgotten about for a long time. These days, she is said to be a myth or legend and not real, but considering this was published in 1684, some 325 years ago, it is amazingly accurate. Still chills my bones.
Mother Shipton wrote:And now a word, in uncouth rhyme
Of what shall be in future time

Then upside down the world shall be
And gold found at the root of tree
All England's sons that plough the land
Shall oft be seen with Book in hand
The poor shall now great wisdom know
Great houses stand in farflung vale
All covered o'er with snow and hail

A carriage without horse will go
Disaster fill the world with woe.
In London, Primrose Hill shall be
In centre hold a Bishop's See

Around the world men's thoughts will fly
Quick as the twinkling of an eye.
And water shall great wonders do
How strange. And yet it shall come true.

Through towering hills proud men shall ride
No horse or ass move by his side.
Beneath the water, men shall walk
Shall ride, shall sleep, shall even talk.
And in the air men shall be seen
In white and black and even green

A great man then, shall come and go
For prophecy declares it so.

In water, iron, then shall float
As easy as a wooden boat
Gold shall be seen in stream and stone
In land that is yet unknown.

And England shall admit a Jew
You think this strange, but it is true
The Jew that once was held in scorn
Shall of a Christian then be born.

A house of glass shall come to pass
In England. But Alas, alas
A war will follow with the work
Where dwells the Pagan and the Turk

These states will lock in fiercest strife
And seek to take each others life.
When North shall thus divide the south
And Eagle build in Lions mouth
Then tax and blood and cruel war
Shall come to every humble door.

Three times shall lovely sunny France
Be led to play a bloody dance
Before the people shall be free
Three tyrant rulers shall she see.

Three rulers in succession be
Each springs from different dynasty.
Then when the fiercest strife is done
England and France shall be as one.

The British olive shall next then twine
In marriage with a german vine.
Men walk beneath and over streams
Fulfilled shall be their wondrous dreams.

For in those wondrous far off days
The women shall adopt a craze
To dress like men, and trousers wear
And to cut off their locks of hair
They'll ride astride with brazen brow
As witches do on broomstick now.

And roaring monsters with man atop
Does seem to eat the verdant crop
And men shall fly as birds do now
And give away the horse and plough.

There'll be a sign for all to see
Be sure that it will certain be.
Then love shall die and marriage cease
And nations wane as babes decrease

And wives shall fondle cats and dogs
And men live much the same as hogs.

In nineteen hundred and twenty six
Build houses light of straw and sticks.
For then shall mighty wars be planned
And fire and sword shall sweep the land.

When pictures seem alive with movements free
When boats like fishes swim beneath the sea,
When men like birds shall scour the sky
Then half the world, deep drenched in blood shall die.

For those who live the century through
In fear and trembling this shall do.
Flee to the mountains and the dens
To bog and forest and wild fens.

For storms will rage and oceans roar
When Gabriel stands on sea and shore
And as he blows his wondrous horn
Old worlds die and new be born.

A fiery dragon will cross the sky
Six times before this earth shall die
Mankind will tremble and frightened be
For the sixth heralds in this prophecy.

For seven days and seven nights
Man will watch this awesome sight.
The tides will rise beyond their ken
To bite away the shores and then
The mountains will begin to roar
And earthquakes split the plain to shore.

And flooding waters, rushing in
Will flood the lands with such a din
That mankind cowers in muddy fen
And snarls about his fellow men.

He bares his teeth and fights and kills
And secrets food in secret hills
And ugly in his fear, he lies
To kill marauders, thieves and spies.

Man flees in terror from the floods
And kills, and rapes and lies in blood
And spilling blood by mankinds hands
Will stain and bitter many lands

And when the dragon's tail is gone,
Man forgets, and smiles, and carries on
To apply himself - too late, too late
For mankind has earned deserved fate.

His masked smile - his false grandeur,
Will serve the Gods their anger stir.
And they will send the Dragon back
To light the sky - his tail will crack
Upon the earth and rend the earth
And man shall flee, King, Lord, and serf.

But slowly they are routed out
To seek diminishing water spout
And men will die of thirst before
The oceans rise to mount the shore.

And lands will crack and rend anew
You think it strange. It will come true.

And in some far off distant land
Some men - oh such a tiny band
Will have to leave their solid mount
And span the earth, those few to count,
Who survives this transition and then
Begin the human race again.

But not on land already there
But on ocean beds, stark, dry and bare
Not every soul on Earth will die
As the Dragons tail goes sweeping by.

Not every land on earth will sink
But these will wallow in stench and stink
Of rotting bodies of beast and man
Of vegetation crisped on land.

But the land that rises from the sea
Will be dry and clean and soft and free
Of mankinds dirt and therefore be
The source of man's new dynasty.

And those that live will ever fear
The dragons tail for many year
But time erases memory
You think it strange. But it will be.

And before the race is built anew
A silver serpent comes to view
And spew out men of like unknown
To mingle with the earth now grown
Cold from its heat and these men can
Enlighten the minds of future man.

To intermingle and show them how
To live and love and thus endow
The children with the second sight.
A natural thing so that they might
Grow graceful, humble and when they do
The Golden Age will start anew.

The dragon's tail is but a sign
For mankind's fall and man's decline.
And before this prophecy is done
I shall be burned at the stake, at one
My body singed and my soul set free
You think I utter blasphemy
You're wrong. These things have come to me
This prophecy will come to be.
On the outer wrapping of the scrolls
Mother Shipton wrote:I know I go - I know I'm free
I know that this will come to be.
Secreted this - for this will be
Found by later dynasty

A dairy maid, a bonny lass
Shall kick this stone as she does pass
And five generations she shall breed
Before one male child does learn to read.

This is then held year by year
Till an iron monster trembling fear
Eats parchment, words and quill and ink
And mankind is given time to think.

And only when this comes to be
Will mankind read this prophecy
But one mans sweets anothers bane
So I shall not have burned in vain.
Another scroll
Mother Shipton wrote:The signs will be there for all to read
When man shall do most heinous deed
Man will ruin kinder lives
By taking them as to their wives.

And murder foul and brutal deed
When man will only think of greed.
And man shall walk as if asleep
He does not look - he many not peep
And iron men the tail shall do
And iron cart and carriage too.

The kings shall false promise make
And talk just for talkings sake
And nations plan horrific war
The like as never seen before
And taxes rise and lively down
And nations wear perpetual frown.

Yet greater sign there be to see
As man nears latter century
Three sleeping mountains gather breath
And spew out mud, and ice and death.
And earthquakes swallow town and town,
In lands as yet to me unknown.

And christian one fights christian two
And nations sigh, yet nothing do
And yellow men great power gain
From mighty bear with whom they've lain.

These mighty tyrants will fail to do
They fail to split the world in two.
But from their acts a danger bred
An ague - leaving many dead.
And physics find no remedy
For this is worse than leprosy.

Oh many signs for all to see
The truth of this true prophecy.

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Strange planetary alignment

Post by LoneBear » Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:53 am

People have said that there is a strange planetary alignment that occurs in 2012, so I put it in "Solar System Live" and got a plot of the planets. Yep, there is a bit of a strange alignment of the outer planets--they form a pentagram. See plot attached.
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Re: 2012

Post by Alluvion » Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:22 pm

Any way to check this against all that dreamspell stuff? THe narrative of that is the the crossing of the sun with the a dark spot of the milkyway corresponding to the galactic center, and another constellation - cygnus maybe? That part I forget - I just recall its about the alignment of the winter solstic sun and the galactic bulge.

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Re: 2012

Post by Alluvion » Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:26 pm

Its all the outer cycles in alignment as well - though my earlier comment may have been incorrect. It might be in relation to venus. Oh whatever, we'll just have to wait a see it seems.

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Post by cointreau » Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:02 pm

Hello LB How are you? as always I come to you full of curiosity. I have several questions regarding Mother Shipton's prophecy, some of them are due to my deficiencies in European History and others have to do with my difficulty understanding middle age English in prose.
Can you clarify this section please?
A dairy maid, a bonny lass
Shall kick this stone as she does pass
And five generations she shall breed
Before one male child does learn to read.

This is then held year by year
Till an iron monster trembling fear
Eats parchment, words and quill and ink
And mankind is given time to think.
Who is the maid and the generation of iliterates? What is the machine eating parchment? Is she refering to the industrial evolution?

Who was the Jew born of a Christian she refers to?
The Jew that once was held in scorn
Shall of a Christian then be born
.
Who are the three rulers from different dynasties?
Three rulers in succession be
Each springs from different dynasty.
Then when the fiercest strife is done
England and France shall be as one

what marriage was that between Brits and Teutons?
The British olive shall next then twine
In marriage with a german vine.
and this one below I don't understand at all
In London, Primrose Hill shall be
In centre hold a Bishop's See
Can you clarify this analogy?:
They'll ride astride with brazen brow
As witches do on broomstick now.
What Gabriel is she talking about?
For storms will rage and oceans roar
When Gabriel stands on sea and shore
And as he blows his wondrous horn
Old worlds die and new be born.
I suppose the fiery dragon is a comet yet to come and she mentions the sixth heralds the end, can you elaborate?
A fiery dragon will cross the sky
Six times before this earth shall die
Mankind will tremble and frightened be
For the sixth heralds in this prophecy
what piece of land resurfaces after the ordeal with the dragon's tail?
But the land that rises from the sea
Will be dry and clean and soft and free
Of mankinds dirt and therefore be
The source of man's new dynasty.
Any guesses on the specific location of the volcanoes(Central America-Mexico???)
Three sleeping mountains gather breath
And spew out mud, and ice and death.
And earthquakes swallow town and town,
In lands as yet to me unknown.
The Chinese who were aligned with the Russians?
And yellow men great power gain
From mighty bear with whom they've lain.
Do you think the dicease she refers to is already known to us (AIDS or Ebola maybe) or do you think is yet to come?
These mighty tyrants will fail to do
They fail to split the world in two.
But from their acts a danger bred
An ague - leaving many dead.
And physics find no remedy
For this is worse than leprosy.
final question: This lady seems to me a better than Nostradamus, how come she is not as famous?
Thank you for your patience and the time you take to answer my questions. I guess you already learned (remembered) how to manipulate time in your favor , I don't imagine you sitting in front of the computer the whole day keeping up with the forum!

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Post by LoneBear » Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:53 pm

cointreau wrote:Can you clarify this section please?
A dairy maid, a bonny lass (Scottish; a pretty, unmarried woman)

Shall kick this stone as she does pass (old child's game, known in America as "kick the can" a couple generations ago. Kicking the stone means to set an event into motion).

And five generations she shall breed (great, great, great grandson)

Before one male child does learn to read. (people were illiterate then, reading was rare)

This is then held year by year
Till an iron monster trembling fear
Eats parchment, words and quill and ink
(widespread use of the printing press; large, metallic, gear-driven, noisy and dangerous mechanism)

And mankind is given time to think. (with the advent of the printing press, almost anyone could copy and distribute books and papers--until then, the "word" was controlled primarily by the church scribes, who only copied what they church allowed. Many new opinions became widely distributed, giving mankind "time to think".)
cointreau wrote:Who is the maid and the generation of iliterates? What is the machine eating parchment? Is she refering to the industrial evolution?
A "dairy maid" is usually a young woman on a farm whose duty is to remove the cream from the milk, make butter, etc... all the by-products that can be obtained from fresh milk. A generation is about 20 years, so 5 generations would be a century. Her prophecies were made in the early 1500s, and published by Richard Head a little over a century later. So one would assume that Richard's great great great grandmother may have been a bonny lass who knew Mother Shipton.

We're talking 16th century, so reading was limited to scholars, not the general public. The machine eating parchment is the printing press, pulling in paper and ink, grinding and clunking, producing the printed word.
cointreau wrote:Who was the Jew born of a Christian she refers to?
The Jew that once was held in scorn
Shall of a Christian then be born
I don't know British history well enough to determine if this was a person, but it may be a reference to religion. Jesus taught Judaism originally, hence he was "Jew". It was later on, after his death, that it became "Christianity". England was originally a pagan country and thus opposed to the "Jew held in scorn", not generally accepted. So it may refer to a religious belief once scorned will become generally accepted and promoted.
cointreau wrote:Who are the three rulers from different dynasties?
Three rulers in succession be
Each springs from different dynasty.
Then when the fiercest strife is done
England and France shall be as one
My guess for the "strifes" would be the Napoleonic wars, World War I and World War II, with rulers being Napoleon, Hitler, and George Bush :-).

Back in the 1970s, England made a move to become "part of the continent"--being part of the European alliances, and dropping much of the hatred that developed during WWII. That may be what "England and France shall be as one" may refer to.
cointreau wrote:what marriage was that between Brits and Teutons?
The British olive shall next then twine
In marriage with a german vine.
In my opinion, the reference isn't to people, but to "houses", in particular, the House of Hesse and/or Rothschild. Vines tend to entangle and snare, do they not? The German vine that entangled the English society was the banking system, created and maintained by the German Houses.
cointreau wrote:and this one below I don't understand at all
In London, Primrose Hill shall be
In centre hold a Bishop's See
A "See" is the old name for the Bishop's office (center of authority) from where he administers a church. Again, I don't know enough about Brit history to make a connection here.
cointreau wrote:Can you clarify this analogy?:
They'll ride astride with brazen brow
As witches do on broomstick now.
In the old days, women always rode a horse side-saddle (both legs to the side) because they actually wore dresses and it was very shameful for a woman to spread her legs (riding astride; one leg on each side) in public. We are talking Victorian times here, with all the Freudian repressions. Only the evil witches mounted their broomsticks astride (ever see "Bewitched", the old TV series? Samantha, in the intro, rides side-saddle because she is a good witch).
cointreau wrote:What Gabriel is she talking about?
For storms will rage and oceans roar
When Gabriel stands on sea and shore
And as he blows his wondrous horn
Old worlds die and new be born.
The Archangel Gabriel, whom, when he blew his horn, signaled the end of the world.
cointreau wrote:I suppose the fiery dragon is a comet yet to come and she mentions the sixth heralds the end, can you elaborate?
A fiery dragon will cross the sky
Six times before this earth shall die
Mankind will tremble and frightened be
For the sixth heralds in this prophecy
Gopi and I were chatting about this a couple nights ago. A comet makes sense, first seen in the sky, then disappears as it goes behind the sun, then reappears again, with the Earth moving through its tail. If she wrote this around 1550, as the records indicate, one can assume that it would have to be a highly visible comet--like Halley's Comet--which, by the way, has passed the Earth 6 times since her prophecy, with the last appearance being in 1986.

PS: Don't forget to account for the Confederation's "time lateral", that has delayed the end of the 3rd density on Earth.
cointreau wrote:what piece of land resurfaces after the ordeal with the dragon's tail?
But the land that rises from the sea
Will be dry and clean and soft and free
Of mankinds dirt and therefore be
The source of man's new dynasty.
I would assume they mean volcanic islands, since volcanic ash is very fertile. Based on my paper, "At the Earth's Core", all the continental land mass is accounted for; nothing new can be formed, only re-distributed.
cointreau wrote:Any guesses on the specific location of the volcanoes(Central America-Mexico???)
Three sleeping mountains gather breath
And spew out mud, and ice and death.
And earthquakes swallow town and town,
In lands as yet to me unknown.
Probably our hemisphere. They say that Yellowstone is a mega-volcano that may go off sometime soon, capable of destroying about a third of the country.

We have seen two very destructive Volcanic eruptions in the last couple decades, Popocatepetl (went off in 1996, setting fire to a huge region of Mexico) and Mount St. Helens, which I believe caused massive mud slides as well.

Here is a good reference to take your pick: http://www.skimountaineer.com/ROF/VolcanicSeven.html

Interesting that the largest volcanoes in the world are in Chile and Argentina.
cointreau wrote:The Chinese who were aligned with the Russians?
And yellow men great power gain
From mighty bear with whom they've lain.
Yes, I agree this is a reference to China and Russia. The "yellow men" certainly have gained great power, now being the world's leading country in manufacture. And from what I've heard, a lot of their technology came from Russia.
cointreau wrote:Do you think the dicease she refers to is already known to us (AIDS or Ebola maybe) or do you think is yet to come?
These mighty tyrants will fail to do
They fail to split the world in two.
But from their acts a danger bred
An ague - leaving many dead.
And physics find no remedy
For this is worse than leprosy.
I don't think it is AIDS nor ebola, but something new. They have so many artificially engineered genetic weapons now, no telling what would be released if one of the research centers got hit by an earthquake.

Or, it could just be a reference to how low people's natural immunity has gotten. Here in America, the prescription medication business is booming... if Americans lost access to their "meds", then there certainly would be a plague, because the common cold could become fatal--almost as bad as if they lost access to coffee. :-)

I find it interesting that during my trip to Bear Butte, when I was visited by Fools Crow, a shaman, one evening, he told me that "A plague will come to the reservation in winter", and he showed me images of roads closed with "quarantine" signs on them. Interesting.
cointreau wrote:final question: This lady seems to me a better than Nostradamus, how come she is not as famous?
Good question! Probably because she doesn't have a lot of prophecies to her name, and there are many out there claiming she was just "invented" at a later time.

But what she says rings true with me.

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Post by Gopi » Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:26 pm

LoneBear wrote:My guess for the "strifes" would be the Napoleonic wars, World War I and World War II, with rulers being Napoleon, Hitler, and George Bush
Though there is no doubt that Bush is a master of strife, my guess for the three guys was Hitler, Stalin and Mao... dunno what exactly she means though, it is pretty veiled. Interesting that all prophets and seers give the prophecies in terms of poetry... it is as if the language beyond the veil is that of symbolic poetry, interpreted with the language of the time.
LoneBear wrote:In the old days, women always rode a horse side-saddle (both legs to the side)
You can still see that in India in much of the countryside... women have clothing which makes it close to impossible to ride anything otherwise.
Cointreau wrote: what piece of land resurfaces after the ordeal with the dragon's tail?
It is probable that much of the continental shelf will be laid bare in an earth expansion event [twice as I typed 'shelf', it came out as 'shift', so there could be a realignment too] literally giving us a soft new world to expand to, as the sea levels fall. I think it is a common misconception, that land rises and falls while it is the sea level which is the culprit, whose variation is caused by earth in turn. Just trying to re-imagine what she must have seen is an eye-opener.
Mother Shipton wrote: Some men - oh such a tiny band
Will have to leave their solid mount
And span the earth, those few to count,
Who survives this transition and then
Begin the human race again.

But not on land already there
But on ocean beds, stark, dry and bare
There is power in those words.
It is time.

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Re: 2012

Post by lvx08 » Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:08 pm

Gopi wrote:Though there is no doubt that Bush is a master of strife, my guess for the three guys was Hitler, Stalin and Mao... dunno what exactly she means though, it is pretty veiled. Interesting that all prophets and seers give the prophecies in terms of poetry... it is as if the language beyond the veil is that of symbolic poetry, interpreted with the language of the time.
Nostradamus had to write in quatraines to disguise the fact that he was prophesising in order to avoid persecution by the church. Probably the case with this woman too.

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Re: 2012

Post by zenmaster » Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:31 am

Folks, this is not what she wrote.

MOTHER SHIPTON
THE YORKSHIRE SIBYL INVESTIGATED
The Result of a Critical Examination of the Extant Literature Relating to the Yorkshire Sibyl.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/pro/msi/index.htm

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Re: 2012

Post by Vuyiswa » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:07 pm

From Sacred Texts link:

So if there is any kernel of truth to the Mother Shipton legend, it can't be determined from any verifiable documentation. Mother Shipton belongs in the same category as Robin Hood or King Arthur: a legendary figure, possibly based on a real person, whose narrative has been enhanced by time and retelling.


Hi all,

We can't be very sure of any of her thoughts, or even those of Nostradamus, but as with all kernels of truth, there is much in the stuff of what we call legend. For example I resonate strongly with the Arthurian legends and tales or story of Mary of Magdalene. I take Mother Shipton as an energetic marker to help me plot a course in my spiritual path rather than exact predictions of anything specific.

Somethings just can't be verified using currently known and scientifically defined methods of analysis. Very interesting information though, as I had never heard of her. Thanks for posting.

Haven't posted in a very long time as I haven't felt the nudge to do so, but I do get the general discussion info in my email. Hope all are well, and good luck to those planning the South America trip. I am well and still in the UK, but that is a long story not appropriate for sharing in this forum.

I note there has been a significant drop or lull in conversation. I guess we are all dealing with what we have to deal with. Sad to see Starlight banned, but that is LB's perogative as the forum administrator.

Love,

Vuyiswa

PS: Just remembered I promised to mail you about a year ago Bruce. Sorry about that - I got seriously distracted. I still have the previously mentioned audio CDs and will (definately :) ) get them to you in time for Xmas.
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Re: 2012

Post by LoneBear » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:54 pm

zenmaster wrote:Folks, this is not what she wrote.

MOTHER SHIPTON
THE YORKSHIRE SIBYL INVESTIGATED
The Result of a Critical Examination of the Extant Literature Relating to the Yorkshire Sibyl.
But why should the skeptics be given validity over the original story? Couple years ago, people like this tried to deny that Dewey Larson, creator of the Reciprocal System of theory, was not a real person and just a "myth", yet I have tons of photos, audio and video recordings that I got from his daughter! So, is Larson just a "legendary figure, possibly based on a real person?"

I tend to believe what my heart tells me is true. And I see truth in Mother Shipton's prophecies, whomever wrote them.

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Re: 2012

Post by LoneBear » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:16 pm

Vuyiswa wrote:I take Mother Shipton as an energetic marker to help me plot a course in my spiritual path rather than exact predictions of anything specific.
I agree; that's a good approach to take with anything these days. It is amazing how much "history" is contrived just to fit the personal bias of the historian.

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Re: 2012

Post by LoneBear » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:55 pm

I was digging through some Mayan references, and found this interesting note...

The first day of the Haab, the Long Count, was not 0.0.0.0.0 but 13.0.0.0.0. The reason was that the 4th sun, the one prior to this, lasted exactly 13 baktun before it was destroyed. On the next day, the Haab was reset to 0.0.0.0.1 to count it out again.

We reach the 13th baktun on December 21, 2012. That is why it is prophesied to be a doomsday--that is what happened last time. The actual long count from the 4th sun is 1.6.0.0.0.0, the 6th baktun of the 1st pictun from the 4th sun.

Curiously enough, the 6th baktun of the 5th sun, 6.0.0.0.0 was also a period of destruction, though a minor one (circa 747 BC). It was on this date that the Maya had to add "5 evil days" to the 360-day year, bringing the total to 365, because the Earth had turned upside-down.

Thought it was rather interesting, kind of a "double whammy." But it is very curious how calamity seems to fall on the start of a new baktun. The Long Count of the Plagues of Egypt and the Exodus, along with the shadows of death and 40 years in the desert started on 4.0.0.0.0.

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