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Re: Wilcock rules!

Post by Arcelius » Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:45 pm

zenmaster wrote:The material offered, itself, has no legitimate standing other than to serve as gut-feeling interpretations of what may have been scientifically demonstrated elsewhere. Normally, the intuition is initially used to guide one to an idea. The idea is then tested, a rationale developed to support the test methods, and the method's rationale is communicated. This important stage is skipped in the spirit of whimsy and flights of fancy. Basically, if everything can be conveniently made into a relativist's dream, or hyper-intuitivist's playground, then there are a few benefits: much less actual thought involved (free-association is an automatic function of the mind) and therefore less real work to do, plus no accountability because, after all, one can effectively disown that which is a "dream".
So he may start with a scientific study or a shorter summary of one. His intuition kicks in and delivers an idea. He then leaps immediately to the idea assuming it to be a correct and valid one and continues from there. Your alternative is to take a step back once the idea arrives to check it out more thoroughly before proceeding to the next step if at all since the idea may not be valuable and may better be discarded.

Because he has a relatively high degree of fame at this point (for sure in the area he is in), there are a large number of people who accept the things he relates. This adds to his responsibility since he is aware of this. When he does not do due diligence with his ideas, he is potentially leading at least some people down a fruitless path or worse. He doesn't really know whether he is or isn't and this doesn't seem important for him to know. He doesn't truly care and this is what disturbs you about David? Does this represent your viewpoint?

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Re: Wilcock rules!

Post by Alluvion » Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:18 pm

I've re and re-written my response to this thread a few times. Not sure how to position myself since that's really what this conversation seems to be aimed at - who is positioned in the place 'right' versus 'wrong'. David W can do what he wants with his scene and its his to get lost in - personally, I don't see David W and other prophet/profits (to use an in-house term) as any different now, and his work seems to be less about his own personal Work and more about his exciting journey through fame and entertaining stories.

Everyone has their own way to escape or get lost on stage in their own life, he's just doing it on a public forum with a rather willing audience. This conversation reveals an interesting catalyst - comes back to the question of what you want, doesn't it? Support and dismissal are two positions opposite a truly benign and rather common figure - so check yourselves for the opportunity to learn about your own biases.

Or just keep yammering on like the script tells you to, without remembering you're on stage.

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Re: Wilcock rules!

Post by zenmaster » Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:10 pm

aluxon wrote:Because he has a relatively high degree of fame at this point (for sure in the area he is in), there are a large number of people who accept the things he relates. This adds to his responsibility since he is aware of this. When he does not do due diligence with his ideas, he is potentially leading at least some people down a fruitless path or worse. He doesn't really know whether he is or isn't and this doesn't seem important for him to know. He doesn't truly care and this is what disturbs you about David? Does this represent your viewpoint?
Take another look at this example: "2012. Is it tragedy or transcension?"

On one side we have fear mongering and on the other hope mongering. Historically, in the material's dream-weaving drama, both sides are continually played for their attention grabbing effect, with of course a strong emphasis on the hope side. "What is ascension? Is it Real? If So, Am I Gonna Make It?" Basically, hope and fear are being served up on a platter. However, and I suppose this is the ironic thing for some, it's truly impossible to learn anything if one is engaged in either hope or fear. As Gopi pointed out, it is primarily a "green vMeme" audience whose destiny is to eventually transcend this dichotomy.

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Re: Wilcock rules!

Post by infinity » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:11 am

zenmaster wrote: On one side we have fear mongering and on the other hope mongering. Historically, in the material's dream-weaving drama, both sides are continually played for their attention grabbing effect, with of course a strong emphasis on the hope side. "What is ascension? Is it Real? If So, Am I Gonna Make It?" Basically, hope and fear are being served up on a platter. However, and I suppose this is the ironic thing for some, it's truly impossible to learn anything if one is engaged in either hope or fear. As Gopi pointed out, it is primarily a "green vMeme" audience whose destiny is to eventually transcend this dichotomy.
One of my favorite games was Command and Conquer, the main villain Kane having a proverb that goes something like this; "He who conquers the past, commands the future. He who commands the future, conquers the past."

Perhaps it may serve as an example for demonstration of zenmaster's point. It seems catchy, makes sense, and even seems useful. But it focuses the intellect on a circular logic that distracts from actionable solutions.

The thoughtful observer would ask the question - "What about the present?". He would also ask, why the present is left out. Was it intentional, and if so, what is the agenda/motive for it? Certainly, he would also not fail to point out that neither the past nor the future is actionable. The only thing we have to work with is the present. So there's NO practical value in the seemingly epic awesomeness-oozing statement.

So on the one hand you can have people talk about how the future should be and on the other hand other people trying to debate or rewrite history. Both justifying the value of each, because of the ridiculous belief that in order to make progress, you have to move the immovable (change the past) or stop the unstoppable (change the future). Pause a moment and think about that.

In the end, it doesn't matter. History can't be changed. And the future is as changing as the subject of attention of a hyperactive 4-year old. The only thing that matters is; what do we want to achieve together, and what will it take to achieve it.

If you'd like to try the approach of organizing a disciplined world-wide consistent effort to meditate the planet into the next dimension, then go have at it. We're 7 billion people here and there's gonna be some okes that like that flavor of koolaid. If there's practical value in that, then fantastic we'll all win - if there isn't, no one will get hurt. There may be a few tears but even babies can survive those.

If you'd like to consider a cooperative philosophy based on comprehensive research for practical action that is open-minded about applying all physical, emotional, and other aspects of the solution (whatever words you want to attach to "other aspects"), then go have at it. We're 7 billion people here and there's gonna be some okes that don't like any flavor of koolaid and would prefer some good old coffee. Black. No sugar. Its bitter, but it wakes you up and if you have enough of it you will even get high. Who needs koolaid.

And so we can go on about approaches and their archetypal beverages.

The point is, what are we doing? Are we selling words, or buying philosophy, or are we saying we're tired of dickering and haggling and would like to stop swapping stuff and starting building stuff.
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Re: Wilcock rules!

Post by LoneBear » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:48 am

One of the things I loved about the Babylon 5 series is this very situation: the "hope" side represented by the angelic Vorlons, and the "fear" side by the Shadows. Both played against the other as yin-yang, with the sole purpose being "movement", the evolution of consciousness. Unfortunately, these guides lost their way and ended up in a competition to see who could evolve species the fastest and most effectively... competition took over, and evolution suffered.

The proposed solution was interesting: all the different species finally got together and decided to, once and for all, throw out their gods (the First Ones), angels (Vorlons) and demons (Shadows), and let everyone determine their own path, without these constant influences obscuring the greater picture. And the end result of that was an Alliance of all species and races, working together, in peace, to see what "life," not just mankind, could accomplish.

IMHO, the only philosophy one needs is that promoted in the 1933 classic, Lost Horizon. "Be kind to each other." Moderation and compassion go a long way to smoothing over even the most difficult of problems.

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Re: Wilcock rules!

Post by browndwarf » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:36 am

In my humble opinion, philosophical ideas tend to boost the ego of one's self, especially if it spreads throughout many individuals, the originator of the idea is proud that he has influenced a lot of other individuals. I can see no point in debating whether DW deserves to be recognized as someone who have helped or someone who's spreading disinfo. For me, he is playing his part in this world as was planned before incarnating, what it is, we don't know. He is a catalyst or stimuli for us to question ourselves and maybe, read and research more about what he is talking about. The burden is on our own selves. We incarnate in this world for the purpose of learning and ascending, maybe learning from past mistakes which may come around again, and let's see, have I learned to deal with this? (karma). We can also learn from others, in their philosophies, their cultures, but most of all, we learn from our experience as a human being. What we are today as a collective comes from the learning gained from the past, whether individually or as a collective. No matter how important our past is, extrapolating it may no longer be necessary because every experience is planted deep within our subconscious. What needs to be done is to look into our present situation, and do our part as we see it. There is goodness in all for we are one. We only need to see that in order to make all the negatives turned into positives. Pessimism may have its point, but being positive will bring much goodness and better result. See the golden rule...:)
IMHO, the only philosophy one needs is that promoted in the 1933 classic, Lost Horizon. "Be kind to each other." Moderation and compassion go a long way to smoothing over even the most difficult of problems.

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Re: Wilcock rules!

Post by daniel » Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:58 pm

browndwarf wrote:In my humble opinion, philosophical ideas tend to boost the ego of one's self, especially if it spreads throughout many individuals, the originator of the idea is proud that he has influenced a lot of other individuals.
You may be confusing philosophy with doctrine. Philosophy is an investigation of concepts and beliefs; doctrine is something taught. That's what the film, Lost Horizon is about--what would happen if a group of 2000 people made an isolated community (Shangri-La) where the only rules were compassion, moderation and kindness--and how would people from the conventional society see this community, when thrust into it (via a plane crash). The film is a philosophical study of this "doctrine" of peace promoted by the characters in the film.
browndwarf wrote:No matter how important our past is, extrapolating it may no longer be necessary because every experience is planted deep within our subconscious. What needs to be done is to look into our present situation, and do our part as we see it. There is goodness in all for we are one. We only need to see that in order to make all the negatives turned into positives. Pessimism may have its point, but being positive will bring much goodness and better result.
There is an old quote from Santayana, "Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

I've always seen it as a balance, with the lessons of the past and the direction of the future balancing on the fulcrum of the choices we make in the present.
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Re: Wilcock rules!

Post by browndwarf » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:36 am

I've always seen it as a balance, with the lessons of the past and the direction of the future balancing on the fulcrum of the choices we make in the present.
Yes, I agree. Makes sense why we, as human beings on their individual incarnations are always repeating same process, over and over as if in a state of forever infancy, if you will...But as a collective, it seems we are learning what we need to learn.
He who has the gold, makes the rules?
Not that gold rules, :D but the golden rule taught by Confucious and the bible....

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Re: Wilcock rules!

Post by Belthazor » Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:08 pm

Does Wilcock STILL rule???

I just listened to his radio broadcast on the Awakening Zone... cheez... I hope he did not break his arm, patting himself on the back for an hour. He seems to be taking credit for a lot of material done by others, including Larson. The only one he credited was the Ra Material, with "the woman" that channeled it. As I understand it, he lived with Carla and Jim for a few years.

He was a decent source of information but now it's just an info-mercial for his books and TV series. Of course he did provide instructions to "meet him" at a smaller conference, because he has to be escorted around by armed guards at the big ones, because of all the bad guys trying to shut him up... yah, right. But if you do grace his presence at a small conference, he'll be happy for you to snap a picture of him with you, for you to frame for your altar.

Now we've been out of things for a while... what the heck is going on with these guys? And it's not just Wilcock, from what I've seen. Did somebody reprogram them to put out all sorts of nonsense? I'm in shock. We could not believe our ears, listening to that show. LB... you know him... what's going on???

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Re: Wilcock rules!

Post by Djchrismac » Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:43 pm

Belthazor wrote:Does Wilcock STILL rule???

I just listened to his radio broadcast on the Awakening Zone... cheez... I hope he did not break his arm, patting himself on the back for an hour. He seems to be taking credit for a lot of material done by others, including Larson. The only one he credited was the Ra Material, with "the woman" that channeled it. As I understand it, he lived with Carla and Jim for a few years.

He was a decent source of information but now it's just an info-mercial for his books and TV series. Of course he did provide instructions to "meet him" at a smaller conference, because he has to be escorted around by armed guards at the big ones, because of all the bad guys trying to shut him up... yah, right. But if you do grace his presence at a small conference, he'll be happy for you to snap a picture of him with you, for you to frame for your altar.

Now we've been out of things for a while... what the heck is going on with these guys? And it's not just Wilcock, from what I've seen. Did somebody reprogram them to put out all sorts of nonsense? I'm in shock. We could not believe our ears, listening to that show. LB... you know him... what's going on???
Haha he does seem like an big advert for his messiah status these days and if what MikeD_1957 said on the Conscious Hugs forum is correct you could be right on the money with the reprogramming comment!! :shock:
http://fora.conscioushugs.com/viewtopic ... 0&start=20

David has been a pioneer and source of useful information, and yes he is making a living. I recently read an article describing a rather interesting meeting which David attended in Warminster Pa (old Naval Air Station I believe) in the Summer (July?) of 2012. The meeting was by invitation only, a meeting of who's who in the world of UFOs, ET, ascension, etc. Everything was free - drinks, great food, accommodations, etc. The meeting was being set up and "advertised" by a known huckster with a record.

To cut to the point; There are reports of unusual activity in addition to the guests pretty much being confined to the meeting areas / lodging which was on base. The unusual activity relates to attendees being taken from their rooms, at night, while "asleep" and returned before morning.

Supposedly, those who attended this meeting acted a little off, you could say, afterward. The suggestion is that they had been tampered with and possibly programmed, aka Manchurian candidate. Given all the disinfo circulating, I assumed (hoped) this was the case here.

While I have not mentioned this information elsewhere, until now, there might be a connection. The article concerning the meeting was from several months ago
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