

I read a couple of Miles Mathis' papers on tides just the other day, where he totally rips apart the current concept of lunar gravity and destroys the equations (they actually removed the equations from the Wikipedia after his paper came out). I don't think anyone understands how the tides and moon are associated, because all the evidence indicates it isn't based on gravity, particularly since the tide is symmetric about the planet--the moon attracts water on one side, and appears to repel on the other.Ilkka wrote:What about the ocean tides? Are they included as well?
Actually, Elysium is a section of Hades that contains the Elysian Fields, where the dead go to decide if they want to reincarnate to the surface world. The "elites" whom were deemed worthy of eternal bliss went to the Islands of the Blessed, just off the coast of Elysium, which is the closest thing to paradise in Hell.browndwarf wrote:does this mean that our moon is somewhat like the Elysium? a floating city above the earth where the elites lived? probably not only the elites but the gods as well???![]()
Please elaborate on this. In what circumtance did this war happened and how did the LMs win? Where did the SMs go?LoneBear wrote: Been here ever since, but was abandoned by the S-Ms in the 13th century and colonized by the L-Ms.
Interesting, I didn't know this. I'll keep this in mind when I'll visit my friend from Paris.LoneBear wrote:Actually, Elysium is a section of Hades that contains the Elysian Fields, where the dead go to decide if they want to reincarnate to the surface world. The "elites" whom were deemed worthy of eternal bliss went to the Islands of the Blessed, just off the coast of Elysium, which is the closest thing to paradise in Hell.
The war started much before that, about 2000 BCE when Enlil decided to wipe out humanity and the Nephilim giants with the Deluge, incurring the wrath of An (for going behind his back) and Enki (for destroying his creation). Enlil then overthrew An and took control of the Annuna and started a war against Enki, with whom the LMs were allied with "in Atlantean lands." Enki did not have nearly the SM resources that Enlil did (as military commander), so it escalated into a war of the SMs versus the LMs, going down in history as the war of the AEsir/Vanir or Asura/Vanaara (the sky gods versus the earthers).Lozion wrote:Please elaborate on this. In what circumtance did this war happened and how did the LMs win? Where did the SMs go?LoneBear wrote: Been here ever since, but was abandoned by the S-Ms in the 13th century and colonized by the L-Ms.
Are the LMs still on the Moon? Thank you.
disbursingdaniel wrote:The thought also occurs to me that the cloud shield, with it's X-ray/cosmic ray shielding effects, would also be quite useful in disbursing beam weapon attacks from space, since they use the same EM band.
Right! Some pieces of the puzzle are falling into place txs.daniel wrote:The war started much before that, about 2000 BCE when Enlil decided to wipe out humanity and the Nephilim giants with the Deluge, incurring the wrath of An (for going behind his back) and Enki (for destroying his creation). Enlil then overthrew An and took control of the Annuna and started a war against Enki, with whom the LMs were allied with "in Atlantean lands." Enki did not have nearly the SM resources that Enlil did (as military commander), so it escalated into a war of the SMs versus the LMs, going down in history as the war of the AEsir/Vanir or Asura/Vanaara (the sky gods versus the earthers).
Are there any historical artifacts left form that truce? I have been trying to research this and could only find this link I posted on CH:(http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case486.htm)daniel wrote:As near as I can place it, around 1253 AD a truce was negotiated between the LMs and SMs, requiring the SMs to abandon their colony Ark (the moon) and the Earth, returning control of the Earth/Moon system to the LMs. According to George Hunt Williamson, this truce may have been negotiated with the help of the Elder Race, the few Cyclopeans that stayed behind after their brethren ascended. Whether that is true or not, the SMs were fighting a war on two fronts, the civil war between the Annuna (sky gods) and the Annunaki (the SM rebels on Earth), and against the LMs. The LMs had massive resources above, on and inside the Earth, and the Annuna did not have much in the way of reinforcements, so it was inevitable that their tech would eventually fail them and they would lose, much like the way the Atlanteans lost to the Wraith on Stargate Atlantis.
I'm a little confused here. The Annunaki gods and in particular the dualistic roles of Enlil & Enki are found in all the early religions of the Near East. They became the El & Yam of the Canaanites, themselves early versions of YHWE & the Serpent, the Ahura Mazda & Ahriman of Persia, Zeus & Poseidon of Greece, etc. that much is clear but do you infer those Rephaim are the Utukku/Djinn/Nephilim (Moloch/Nimrod/Baal etc?) worshipped by Secret Societies & occult groups a la Golden Dawn, etc?daniel wrote:First, "god" (Enlil) and "satan" (Enki, the accuser), haven't been around for over 500 years. Folks aren't worshiping either of them--they are worshiping the Rephaim (the "bad" Nephilim that survived the flood) under the guise of gods, as direct descendants of the SMs. With the SMs gone, they just replaced them, as slaves needed masters to serve and worship. By knowing who's who, a rather "inconvenient truth" shows up--one that most religions are fully aware of, but keep hidden. Man wasn't created by God, but by Satan! God (Enlil) was actually against it. It was An (Cronus/Uranus) that authorized the creation of man, designed by Ninhursag (mother nature) and engineered by Enki (Satan). (And if you consider how mankind behaves, it actually makes more sense that way.)
Yes, someone seems to be waiting in the wings for the Great Deception of our Time...daniel wrote:So yes, the LMs are still on the moon (and don't want mankind, the progeny of the SMs, there). But I do not know where the SMs went, other than they left the immediate area of the solar system. But they may have returned, not too long ago. The thought also occurs to me that the cloud shield, with it's X-ray/cosmic ray shielding effects, would also be quite useful in disbursing beam weapon attacks from space, since they use the same EM band.
Yes, I meant disperse. That's fat fingers on a touchscreen during spellcheck. I fixed the original post. Well, at least it's not as bad as a former co-worker did on a message to the entire company, signing it, "Sorry for the incontinence." (Supposed to be "inconvenience" for a network outage.)Ilkka wrote:I think I have either lost in translation or you mean "disperse" or similar term, because "disburse" means to pay out in financial terms, which is only translation I can get out from my dictionary site about disbursing. Also by this part of your post you mean that the cloud shield would be a "good thing" for us in this sense then?
Yea, It might have already happened trulydaniel wrote:I guess it depends on how you define, "good." If some space lightning did hit the Earth, turning all the Christmas shoppers into mindless zombies... well, how could we even tell? It may have already happened!![]()
I don't think the cloud shield is "good" in any case. I'd like to see it go, to see where we (as humans) go, when Nature reestablishes itself. But I have no control over that. The only thing I can do is to get out of the way, when things start tumbling down.
I've looked into that in the past, and what I found was that whenever something "interesting" was discovered, the Nobility either confiscated it or destroyed it, to keep the people ignorant. And they've been doing that for over 500 years, so most of the traveled areas of Earth have been pretty well "sanitized."Lozion wrote:Are there any historical artifacts left form that truce? I have been trying to research this and could only find this link I posted on CH:(http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case486.htm)
Correct. But understand what has happened to the original knowledge as it was passed down through generations of more and more corrupt souls, each adding their own "twist" to the knowledge for personal gain. The Raphaim claiming to be Enki or Enlil are like the priests in the local church claiming to be representatives of God. To use a somewhat pointed comparison, and no insult intended, it's like David Wilcock claiming to be Edgar Cayce channeling RA... you assume control of a ready-made power base. That's why fame-seekers love to "channel" religious figures, ETs, EDs and whatnot... no one would actually believe THEM, so they are just "messengers" for some inaccessible superbeing that we've been programmed to already accept. And of course, Blue Beam cashed in on that heavily, using their "voice in the head" equipment to send those messages. And now it's even easier with "wireless."Lozion wrote:I'm a little confused here. The Annunaki gods and in particular the dualistic roles of Enlil & Enki are found in all the early religions of the Near East. They became the El & Yam of the Canaanites, themselves early versions of YHWE & the Serpent, the Ahura Mazda & Ahriman of Persia, Zeus & Poseidon of Greece, etc. that much is clear but do you infer those Rephaim are the Utukku/Djinn/Nephilim (Moloch/Nimrod/Baal etc?) worshipped by Secret Societies & occult groups a la Golden Dawn, etc?
Yes of course, that would be par for the course. I'm just surprised & curious how you and daniel manage to construct such a precise historiography. I know of source material from Pye/Velikovsky/Sitchin et al, yet your stance on all this has a certain assuredness as if you guys 'know' this stuff and not 'theorize' about it. I guess I should go out on a stroll and meet some LMs... I think I came close once.LoneBear wrote: I've looked into that in the past, and what I found was that whenever something "interesting" was discovered, the Nobility either confiscated it or destroyed it, to keep the people ignorant. And they've been doing that for over 500 years, so most of the traveled areas of Earth have been pretty well "sanitized."
daniel wrote:And I cannot help but notice it is that 1.5% that seems to have all the really interesting experiences. You'd think that people, after hearing some of the hidden truths of history, would be pushing themselves to get into that 1.5% to make it larger, advancing themselves and humanity. I'm baffled as to why they don't appear to even try. We're all constructed the same way (with the possible exception of LoneBear the Neanderthal), and have the same potential for growth. I guess it is nothing more than a personal choice to "live on your knees" rather than "think on your feet."
OK, making excuses here, but I am doing my best, which I am aware is not good enough for what I want for myself and family. I am a late comer to all this and am working to undo the damage created in the first 40 years of my life. I still have young children at home and started all this because of them. The problem becomes what I have learned and how to best disseminate it to them. There is also the issue of feeding and clothing them, all things I am working on. It seems all I can do at the moment is plant seeds and encourage open minded thinking, questioning everything. I still have a long way to go myself, so I can only impart what I have mastered in understanding myself. The information is sometimes overwhelming, but also exhilarating and fascinating to me.daniel wrote:
And it is this "programming" that keeps humanity from advancing. Look at any forum or blog, including this one. How many people are "creative thinkers" that are posting their OWN thoughts and research, versus how many are just "rebloggers" doing links to creative thinkers, versus how many are "lurkers" that are pretty much afraid of their own thoughts, and never say anything? If I use the statistics at the bottom of this forum's main page, you're looking at 1.5% for the thinkers, about 8.5% for the rebloggers, and 90% for the lurkers. (That's actually better than most!)
And I cannot help but notice it is that 1.5% that seems to have all the really interesting experiences. You'd think that people, after hearing some of the hidden truths of history, would be pushing themselves to get into that 1.5% to make it larger, advancing themselves and humanity. I'm baffled as to why they don't appear to even try. We're all constructed the same way (with the possible exception of LoneBear the Neanderthal), and have the same potential for growth. I guess it is nothing more than a personal choice to "live on your knees" rather than "think on your feet."
Ir helps to have friends in low places, particularly friends with a good memory and a very long lifespan.Lozion wrote:I'm just surprised & curious how you and daniel manage to construct such a precise historiography. I know of source material from Pye/Velikovsky/Sitchin et al, yet your stance on all this has a certain assuredness as if you guys 'know' this stuff and not 'theorize' about it. I guess I should go out on a stroll and meet some LMs... I think I came close once.
funny , same here, reading this changed everything for meI know one of the big speculative changes in my thought was the fact that "galaxies are solar systems,"
LoneBear wrote:Ir helps to have friends in low places, particularly friends with a good memory and a very long lifespan.Lozion wrote:I'm just surprised & curious how you and daniel manage to construct such a precise historiography. I know of source material from Pye/Velikovsky/Sitchin et al, yet your stance on all this has a certain assuredness as if you guys 'know' this stuff and not 'theorize' about it. I guess I should go out on a stroll and meet some LMs... I think I came close once.
It's all documented in enormous detail, but it wasn't written by humans--human history starts with the Biblical accounts upon the departure of man from the Guarded Enclosure of E-DIN. But there are some human translations of parts of it, such as the Book of Jubilees. For example, it contains the exact dates Adam and Eve did the "apple thing" and months later, left the Garden. You can get detailed instructions there on how to build your own Ark--though you need to be a giant, like Noah, to do it (just in case Professor Chaos succeeds in creating the Second Deluge with his front yard faucet).
If you ever have friends that are miners, particularly the "down deep" miners, they can tell you many stories about all the crazy stuff they've found down there when digging... "library caves" composed of slabs of rocks etched with strange scripts, buildings and strange tools. Of course, they are immediately destroyed because if the knowledge became public, they'd close down the mines for archeological exploration and put everyone out of work. But many of them have pictures--and artifacts--that our friends in the NWO know nothing about.
And the Romani (gypsies) know a great deal, though they do not keep any written records. And they prefer the "shock value" of a, let's say a "more literal" story than the parables of religion.
But when you've seen enough of the pieces of a puzzle to know what the picture on the box IS, you can infer which piece goes where on the puzzle, making assembly quick and easy. Younger folks (those less than 50 or so) are at a major disadvantage, because back in the 1960s information was coming out faster than the powers that be could suppress it, so a lot of it got through. That's why they started the New Age movement--to contain it. Back in the 1950s, the peaceful explorers were actually making radio contact with regular folks (Morse code), because there weren't any satellites in orbit (the first satellite was launched in 1957) nor any kind of global radio system that could do anything about it. And I've noticed that a lot of those reports seem to have disappeared these days--I've looked for them, but can't find any traces. If anything, they are good at containment.
If you are familiar with the concept of the "causal nexus," there are certain points in time that are like landmarks--somewhat fixed and used as a reference for other related information. The scientific underground found a sufficient number of these nexi to create a new, historical map from--I believe that is where you see that "assuredness" come from. There is still a lot of theoretical work and interpretation, but it can now be made from those "fixed points" in the landscape. The bits between are still unexplored territory, for the most part, but you can't get lost because you always have some relative measure from known locations.
Apply that analogy to history... the "causal nexi" are certain major events in history that had a major effect on the planet. For example, the arrival of the An and his kids, the Annuna, to terraform, colonize and exploit the resources of Earth. That situation caused a major deviation in what one could call "natural history" (the history that would have ensued, should the Annuna not have arrived), creating a causal nexus that Sci-Fi would play on as a "parallel reality" (and these "causal" splits are behind the concept of parallel worlds, even though there is no actual split). Once you have located that "fixed point" on a historical map, it becomes easy to see how specific historical events relate to it, much like finding a "sky piece" of a puzzle and assembling all the other sky pieces around it--you know they are all blue, with maybe some puffy white for clouds. Those sky pieces surrounding that "sky nexus" become easy to find and place.
The difficulty in writing about it comes from the fact that those bits in-between are still "unexplored territory" and are theoretical models. Just because you know a bunch of stuff is located near some other thing, you may not realize how they all fit together--so that is "speculation." I know one of the big speculative changes in my thought was the fact that "galaxies are solar systems," which came from a simple error in a computer simulation, only to discover that I wasn't the only one that ran into that problem--others did, from other paths of exploration. That changed the character of daniel's original documentation on habitable solar systems being far, far away and few in number, to MANY solar systems being nearby. The interpretation was wrong because nobody realized we were looking at the Universe through a magnifying glass.
There is always a some "assuredness" in the overall picture, but the details remain speculation until additional nexi are discovered, that can provide that quality to the speculation.
If you do find interaction with some of the old gypsies, make sure your "shields are down" and you approach with a true heart--because they DO see right through you. You have to drop all pretense, so your heart does the talking, not your head. If not, they'll just "run you through the ringer" with some New Age BS and take you for all you've got.Lozion wrote:Thank you LoneBear, you quite eloquently explained the thought processes behind your research. I will look into Causal Nexus, and maybe try to meet some gypsies...
Is it possible that everyone is just asleep in this virtual world and finds it hard to believe there is any other reality?daniel wrote:And it is this "programming" that keeps humanity from advancing. Look at any forum or blog, including this one. How many people are "creative thinkers" that are posting their OWN thoughts and research, versus how many are just "rebloggers" doing links to creative thinkers, versus how many are "lurkers" that are pretty much afraid of their own thoughts, and never say anything? If I use the statistics at the bottom of this forum's main page, you're looking at 1.5% for the thinkers, about 8.5% for the rebloggers, and 90% for the lurkers. (That's actually better than most!)
And I cannot help but notice it is that 1.5% that seems to have all the really interesting experiences. You'd think that people, after hearing some of the hidden truths of history, would be pushing themselves to get into that 1.5% to make it larger, advancing themselves and humanity. I'm baffled as to why they don't appear to even try. We're all constructed the same way (with the possible exception of LoneBear the Neanderthal), and have the same potential for growth. I guess it is nothing more than a personal choice to "live on your knees" rather than "think on your feet."
From what I've seen, it isn't sleep--it is a comatose state, as they may never come out of it. A coma is "a state of prolonged unconsciousness, including a lack of response to stimuli, from which it is impossible to rouse a person." And from what I see around me, that is exactly the state that is being programmed... cut yourself off from the world with headsets, drugs, liquor... anything to prevent you from being alert and conscious of your surroundings. The "death blow" will be when Google Glasses are released and you are totally cut off from the external world. (Not that Google is sponsored by the NWO's CIA or anything... oh wait, it IS.)MrTwig wrote:Is it possible that everyone is just asleep in this virtual world and finds it hard to believe there is any other reality?
Have you read this: One photon wrangles 3,000 atoms into quantum entanglement?MrTwig wrote:You once describe us as genetically modified slaves created to do the work of our masters. Is it possible to change that at will? If we think for ourselves how does that change our world. Does it make it better? If we gain all the correct history of our world and learn to use the correct theory behind what is truly going on, how does this change the world?
Personally, I do not choose to "join the illusion for change" touted as "revolution," because I see the motivation behind it. Look around you--the only thing changing is the names of those pulling the strings (rename "Rothchilds" to "Dragon Family"). You're still getting your strings pulled, regardless of all those "revolutions."MrTwig wrote:If we do not join the revolution for change are we weak.
Very Good!LoneBear wrote:From what I've seen, it isn't sleep--it is a comatose state, as they may never come out of it. A coma is "a state of prolonged unconsciousness, including a lack of response to stimuli, from which it is impossible to rouse a person." And from what I see around me, that is exactly the state that is being programmed... cut yourself off from the world with headsets, drugs, liquor... anything to prevent you from being alert and conscious of your surroundings. The "death blow" will be when Google Glasses are released and you are totally cut off from the external world. (Not that Google is sponsored by the NWO's CIA or anything... oh wait, it IS.)MrTwig wrote:Is it possible that everyone is just asleep in this virtual world and finds it hard to believe there is any other reality?
MrTwig wrote:You once describe us as genetically modified slaves created to do the work of our masters. Is it possible to change that at will? If we think for ourselves how does that change our world. Does it make it better? If we gain all the correct history of our world and learn to use the correct theory behind what is truly going on, how does this change the world?
Gee, I missed that article (particle?). It does make sense though. I mean the photon is the basic particle from which all life comes from, right? We don't have a souton yet.LoneBear wrote:Have you read this: One photon wrangles 3,000 atoms into quantum entanglement?
Thank you daniel! and LoneBear! You guy rock!LoneBear wrote:If one photon, the smallest, most insignificant particle in the Universe, can alter thousands of big, heavy, set-in-their-way atoms just by a brief encounter, what could a human do?
If you want to change the course of a boulder rolling down a hill, you put a pebble in its path at the top of the hill--that will do more to alter it's path, than a bulldozer can at the bottom. People don't have a big, red "WAKE UP" button on the top of their heads, so it is impossible to "change the world" in an instant--change takes TIME. daniel is the pebble at the top of the hill; the NWO is the bulldozer at the bottom. If done right, when the human boulder gets to the bottom after hitting the pebble, it will be miles away from the bulldozer.
MrTwig wrote:If we do not join the revolution for change are we weak.
I agree totally. What were they thinking, I mean just because one group changes their name or act as if they are the new and improved version of a savior it is still the same people.LoneBear wrote:Personally, I do not choose to "join the illusion for change" touted as "revolution," because I see the motivation behind it. Look around you--the only thing changing is the names of those pulling the strings (rename "Rothchilds" to "Dragon Family"). You're still getting your strings pulled, regardless of all those "revolutions."
Got it. Evolving beat everything!LoneBear wrote:Hopefully, one of the things people have gotten from the daniel papers is that EVERYTHING EVOLVES, the solar system, sun, planets, life on them... eventually, resistance to that evolutionary push will become futile and something will snap, like our environment is now doing in response to chemtrails. Then you'll have a evolution, not a revolution.
Ah! yes Grasshopper! But we are in constant motion so we are always somewhere new. We are traveling more in a spiral and moving in an arc like path. Besides, All time is attached to all space at some point, so we have quantum entanglement. What really matters is where we place our focus on. I prefer to look ahead to better times.LoneBear wrote:People forget that when you complete one revolution, you end up exactly where you started. That is why I prefer, evolution.