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Post by joeyv23 » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:33 pm

There has been an inquiry made with regards to the possibility of a second root gathering and I would like to extend an open invitation to anyone who might want to take part in the Sanctuary Project to come out to Salt Lake City and visit with those of us here at your leisure for whatever period of time you would want to stay and visit.

Rather than a formal gathering with presentations as to why we are building Sanctuary--since this is defined and currently being made available in new media formats: videos, formal papers, podcasts, etc.--we can spend more time discussing what we have learned so far and the ideas that we are currently working on.

For anyone who might need to be brought up to speed, last year saw the movement of several members in the virtual community to Salt Lake City, Utah. Gopi and his wife, Snetu, Austin AKA Spaceman, Billy, and I are all here now working in our respective fields and getting together as often as we can in order to discuss anything and everything where the development of this project is concerned.

We have been scouting out potential areas for development of a place where we might take our next step towards the intentional community and have found a truly promising area in the Southern part of the state. We are thinking of this as being something like an old-time boarding home.

We have also discussed to great lengths the development of the business aspect of the project and think that the possibility of operating a bed and breakfast is a good endeavor for us so that we might be able to generate revenue as a group to use towards the development of larger spaces as the group grows. The bed and breakfast idea has the potential to evolve into more of a nature retreat type of place, or has been discussed, a "digital detox" of sorts.

With an established, profitable business through which to engage in the world at large, and a community of people living and working together to further the development of the Monastery portion of the project, we can then transition to other places, likely outside of the US as has been discussed here in the forum. This doesn't mean that everyone who comes to take part in the work here in Utah has to relocate to a different country if you don't want to. We may end up with a situation where branching out occurs while the developed establishments stay as a part of the project where they are. These particular details are as yet left to a future time. As the saying goes, "We'll cross that bridge when we get there.", but I did want to share all of this anyways so as it convey the sense of direction that we are looking to move in.

And so it is, to anyone who might want to come out and talk shop, please feel free to do so. I can offer a discounted rate at the hotel that I work at, $49 plus tax which comes out to $55.49 total per night. There is also a hostel (not a youth hostel) here in the city that Billy, Spaceman, and I used when we traveled to SLC last February and that Spaceman and I stayed in for over a couple of months when we moved here in July and August that has rooms between $20 and $25 per night. Billy, Spaceman, and I live a mile away from the hotel where I work which is a short 15 minute drive from the airport so getting in will be fairly easy. If you decide to stay at the hotel here (Crystal Inn - West Valley City) then you're guaranteed free shuttle service to and from the airport as well as a few other places near here if you need it.

So let's get together! As they say back home, "Come and sit a spell". We'd love to have you and continue in these efforts to expand and develop this community that we all so desperately feel is necessary in the world at this time.

We look forward to seeing you soon!
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Post by Billy » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:48 am

Allow me to cordially 'second' this invitation. The nature of that which is transpiring here is quite remarkable, but it has not come without its challenges. I am happy to report that the core members of this group, all whom have made, and continue to make, sacrifices to be here and working to make this a reality, are gelling in a manner that truly exceeds expectations. This, as I recall, was step number one: Find out whether or not a group of individuals, whom are actively endeavoring to work with nature and not against it, are able to come together and work towards a common goal, in rapport; as opposed to the standard issue bickering, arguing, whining, and "my way or the highway" nonsense. And let me tell you that nature is responding to this, in some very interesting ways. So-called 'magic' is manifesting itself here, and serving as a guide; sometimes in a subtle fashion, and sometimes in a way that is akin to a large oak branch slapping you upside the head :-) Interesting how simple, intriguing, wondrous, and challenging the whole thing is.

It is not an easy thing to make the conscious choice to walk in a direction that leads you away from the one that is currently being blindly followed by most of the rest of humanity. In my case, there were no doubts, for this is it. The world at large has gone quite bananas, and it's getting stranger every day. The time to bring this place to fruition - this Sanctuary, the birth place of Homo Sapiens Ethicus - is here, and now. Those wishing to make a deeper commitment by taking the steps onto 'The Great Path'; as well as those who are curious, and who wish to see what it is that is transpiring here; are equally welcome. Want a delicious, home cooked Sicilian meal, served at a table amongst a group of folks who continue to deduce the natural workings of the Universe, all while a tabby cat prowls around at your feet, waiting for a warm piece of food to 'accidentally' fall from the table top? It awaits you here.

I look forward to hearing responses. Your thoughts, talents, insight, and feedback are most welcome; though the chance to shake hands would be preferable :-)

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Re: Developing Community

Post by Ilkka » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:34 pm

joeyv23 wrote:I can offer a discounted rate at the hotel that I work at, $49 plus tax which comes out to $55.49 total per night.
How about meals does the price include meals, breakfast, dinner and such? Also do I have to pay taxes since I am not U.S. citizen? I have no idea how taxes work in there so thats why I ask.
And another thing, how much time should I spent there if I come there 5 days or so maybe less? I am very cheap and cant think of any sight seeing either :D But I am interest of seeing you guys in person, LB and daniel included. That would mean that you guys have a chance to put a face on the name as well. Oh and almost forget what time suits all of you the best, early February maybe?
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Post by Andrew » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:25 pm

There is a sales tax on anything you buy, citizen or not. Usually around 7-8%.

I am supremely interested in meeting everyone. Already going to Philadelphia in April though. That'll be $1000. Flights cost less the farther out you book them. Not that money should be an issue obtaining for a wizard.

The Universe may respond and assist me in the details. Would have to know to take off work. The shuttle services provided by the Inn helps a lot.
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Post by joeyv23 » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:00 pm

Ilkka wrote:How about meals does the price include meals, breakfast, dinner and such?
Buffet style breakfast is included with the room. If you'd like, you're welcome to use the kitchen where we stay. We are walking distance to a grocery store which likely would be more cost effective than eating out.

As for how long to stay, that's totally up to you! We all have different working schedules so there's usually one of us always available. My job is the only one that we ever have to work around to all get together, but that's manageable if I know well enough in advance so I can take the appropriate days off.

As for sight seeing, there are lots of options for that. We could hop on the light rail and head downtown to see Temple Square or if you lean more towards nature we can take a drive out of the city into the mountains. If you're here for several days, we could potentially take a trip down to see some Anasazi Ruins and have a look at the area we are currently surveying.

I'll let the others give their input on timing. I'm personally fine with whenever you choose to make the trip. There are a couple of others who have expressed interest in coming out sometime in or after April so maybe we can coordinate things so that folks' trips coincide, but if this isn't logistically feasible then we are still happy to have each of you whenever you are able to come out - sooner or later, whatever works best for you.

In regards to the hotel shuttle service, aside from to/from the airport, we give rides to the Valley Fair Mall here in West Valley City, grocery store, pharmacy, and gym, though, we aren't partnered with the gym since there is a small fitness room here at the property. Aside from that, as mentioned before, it's likely that one or more of us would be available so if rides are needed I don't think it would be too difficult to arrange. If need be, I have a promotional code that will get any new user a $50 credit with the Uber alternative, Ryde.
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Post by Billy » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:40 pm

Ilkka,
How about meals does the price include meals, breakfast, dinner and such?
I am not at all too shabby in the kitchen, and we as a group have already gotten together on several occasions upon which a home-cooked, buffet style meal was prepared. I relish the opportunity to cook a nice meal for this group, so there's that :-)
how much time should I spent there if I come there 5 days or so maybe less?
This I think would be entirely up to you. I would think that five days would provide ample time for you to meet everyone and engage in a great many conversations. Of course, as Joey said, there may also exist the possibility of a trip down south, and this is certainly something that can be discussed in more detail, as I myself really want to get back down there sometime in the near future, to scout out the locale, and to glimpse what it is that others have seen.
I am very cheap and cant think of any sight seeing either :D But I am interest of seeing you guys in person
The mountains are a lovely sight, but apart from this, it's your average city. I myself frequent the local herbal apothecaries, as I am deeply engaged in a study of herbal medicine making. The Temple downtown is quite the draw, but it left me with quite an odd feeling, as if I was surrounded by fortress walls that echoed with the words, "Though shalt not pass without the golden plates!"

And yes, the feeling is mutual in terms of meeting in person.
Oh and almost forget what time suits all of you the best, early February maybe?
Well, Gopi and his wife are away in India until the beginning of February, so it would be swell to have them here when you arrive. They cook up some absolutely delightful Indian cuisine *hint* *hint*

Andrew,
Already going to Philadelphia in April though.
Understood. I agree with Joey that we here can assist you in whatever ways possible during your stay. Between the three of us living here in West Valley, we have two cars, so we may be able to work things out, from one day to the next. Weekends are best for me, though given enough notice, I most likely can shift some things around in my own schedule to make myself available.
If you'd like, you're welcome to use the kitchen where we stay. We are walking distance to a grocery store which likely would be more cost effective than eating out.
Yes, good idea, Joey. You're welcome to use our kitchen; so long as you don't mind my cat perched on top of the fridge, looking down upon you longingly as you scramble your eggs, hoping beyond all hope that a piece may just 'accidentally' come popping out of the pan and onto the floor :-)

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Post by Lozion » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:02 pm

Damn, strange timing.. Just as Joey was posting this, I was struggling to book a flight out of Miami where I was visiting family and had to insist to complete the process so much that I wondered if I should check other alternatives. Maybe I should've paused and check AQ..

Well, here am I in Costa Rica for a few weeks to visit friends and check out opportunities.. I'm located to the south of the Nicoya Peninsula, a so called Blue zone with beautiful nature and "alternative" lifestyle infrastructure.

Wont be able to make it out to SLC right now but if I can do something while I'm here for an eventual step 2 to Kheb, let me know..
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Post by roses » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:20 pm

Would you be willing to provide an update on the status of the community development going on in SLC? What are your concrete goals? What is the timeline you are working with and how many people have committed to join you already?

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Post by joeyv23 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:01 pm

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Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:20 pm
Would you be willing to provide an update on the status of the community development going on in SLC? What are your concrete goals? What is the timeline you are working with and how many people have committed to join you already?
Right now there are 6 of us here in SLC: LoneBear, Gopi and his wife Snetu, Austin (Spaceman), Billy, and myself. We've alsp got a friend here, Hannis, who has expressed interest in the project. We're just inside of a year of Gopi and Snetu's and my move out here and Austin and Billy will hit their year mark towards the end of Summer.

In the course of the last year, we've traveled to different places in the state, making connections and getting a feel for the area. Within the last couple of weeks, Austin, Billy, and I have been down to a permaculture farm where Billy did some foraging for wild herbs prior to this specific visit, and we had a nice evening with the family there eating homemade pizza cooked in a handmade brick oven.

While we were there, we were tipped off about another permaculture farm down between Zion's National Park and Bryce Canyon National Park whose owners seem to share the same ideals and values where stewardship and working in rapport rather than in competition are held in high regard. From what we were told, it may very well be that this establishment is what we have been looking for, and conversely that we may be what the owners of the property there are looking for as well where acquisition of the proper environment (for us) and a continuation of the owners' legacy (for them) might be had. We'll know more once we make the trip down and begin getting to know each other. Updates will be provided after we take the trip down there.

As far as goals go, we (at least Austin and I) figured for about a year to find a potential next step and if things go well, it looks as though we may very well meet that goal/prediction. Given the nature of our interactions here; work schedules, health and home life, we tend towards flexibility as much as possible. Where there was an intense feeling of urgency at first, there is now a relaxed pace where it's understood that things fall into place at the right time. Sanctuary occurs daily between us as we interact and grow together. It will be great when we are able to have that in a place that feels more like a sanctuary proper, but for now, it's already a thing that we engage even though we live in the city.

Not sure if this fully satisfies the inquiry, please feel free to ask any questions specific or otherwise if you're so inclined. I personally haven't posted much in the past little bit as much of what I might have posted about in the past is discussed offline here with the one or more of the group which tends me, at least, away from interacting as much virtually, but we are still here and are happy to discuss any aspect of what we're working on!
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Re: Developing Community

Post by kano » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:52 pm

Greetings! My name is Kane and I have been over on the Conscious Hugs Forum for a while but have never created an account here. It seems now is the right time for me to be back in the mix.

Back in 2012 I was introduced to the Kheb Monastery idea by Daniel and was totally hooked on the huge benefit it could provide to those of like mind and to the Earth itself. I ended up having to take some time off from the forum but have come back over the last month or so to read about what great strides you all have made to further the Kheb mission. Wow, I'm impressed!

I wanted to reach out to the group to introduce myself and offer my assistance, in rapport and in stride, in hopes of augmenting your efforts in whatever way I can. I look forward to getting to know you all, learning and improving, and contributing to the greater good.

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Post by joeyv23 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:41 pm

kano wrote:
Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:52 pm
I wanted to reach out to the group to introduce myself and offer my assistance, in rapport and in stride, in hopes of augmenting your efforts in whatever way I can. I look forward to getting to know you all, learning and improving, and contributing to the greater good.
Hi, Kane! Always nice to meet someone interested in working in rapport towards common goals. Feel free to dive right into the conversation wherever you find it strikes your fancy. I look forward to interacting further :)
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Post by kano » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:03 am

Hi, Kane! Always nice to meet someone interested in working in rapport towards common goals. Feel free to dive right into the conversation wherever you find it strikes your fancy. I look forward to interacting further :)
Hi Joey! Ready to dive in. I have a few questions. Apologies if they have already been answered.

At this point, what is the next major hurdle to overcome? Is it finding the right piece of land to build on? Or have you all decided to lean more towards purchasing existing construction and retrofitting?

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Post by joeyv23 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:02 pm

kano wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:03 am
At this point, what is the next major hurdle to overcome? Is it finding the right piece of land to build on? Or have you all decided to lean more towards purchasing existing construction and retrofitting?
Property is pretty much the issue at hand right now. None of us are currently in a position to make any large purchases. The idea we're currently pursuing is establishing something like a living trust with someone who has already developed something similar to what we're trying to do. The idea is that the existing owners of the property continue to own it and live there, but we'd start taking an active role in helping out and learning all that we can from them, gaining from the years of experience that they have under their belts. When the owners feel ready to move on, the property would fall to Antiquatis Institute, Inc. Otherwise, short of meeting a well to do philanthropist who is willing to fund us from the ground up, we'll be needing to focus on getting ourselves to a place where we could make large purchases at some point in the future. We now have an official meeting scheduled at the permaculture farm that I mentioned before early next month so hopefully this venture will pan out.
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Post by kano » Wed Jun 21, 2017 2:21 pm

Property is pretty much the issue at hand right now. None of us are currently in a position to make any large purchases. The idea we're currently pursuing is establishing something like a living trust with someone who has already developed something similar to what we're trying to do. The idea is that the existing owners of the property continue to own it and live there, but we'd start taking an active role in helping out and learning all that we can from them, gaining from the years of experience that they have under their belts. When the owners feel ready to move on, the property would fall to Antiquatis Institute, Inc. Otherwise, short of meeting a well to do philanthropist who is willing to fund us from the ground up, we'll be needing to focus on getting ourselves to a place where we could make large purchases at some point in the future. We now have an official meeting scheduled at the permaculture farm that I mentioned before early next month so hopefully this venture will pan out.
I see. What do you estimate the initial start up costs to be? In the existing owner scenario and the ground up scenario? Also, what topography is ideal for the Monastery? Year round warmth, flowing water, flat, forest vs field, etc?

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