Sanctuary vMeme Conceptualizations

Kheb is a monastery, remote but not secluded, where people can have an alternative to the mercantile system that is imposed upon society by our political and educational institutions. It is a physical PLACE, and this topic is to discuss the facilities, structures, accommodations, and other physical constructs needed to successfully implement the ideas behind the Sanctuary Project, as well as the "political" structures of a new type of monastic system.
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Sanctuary vMeme Conceptualizations

Post by LoneBear » Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:56 am

When a person first encounters a Sanctuary (and this may also apply to the Phi-Core), they will interpret the system according to their current valuing system, so it might be nice to see what they will see "us" as:

3.1 Beige: not applicable; individual ego surviving against world.

3.2 Purple: Sees the Sanctuary as a tribe/gang of people.

Negative: put a "hex" on them or turf wars.

Positive: will want to join the tribe, but will rapidly become dissatisfied when they aren't constantly being told what to do, which will then transform to negative.

3.3 Red: Sees the Sanctuary as a Mafia. Usually too involved with self to bother.

Negative: If alpha dominance is challenged, will engage in feudal war to destroy enemy.

Positive: Will protect you from other problems, as long as they are getting something out of it.

3.4 Blue: Sees the Sanctuary as a religious congregation.

Negative: If not the same belief system, will be evil/demonic and must be assimilated back into the "true" collective.

Positive: If perceived as same belief system, will be helpful and supportive. Like purple, will eventually become dissatisfied and turn negative.

3.5 Orange: Understands Sanctuary as business enterprise (corporation).

Negative: Competition that must be put out of business.

Positive: Business partners.

3.6 Green: Sees Sanctuary as a commune (aka "spiritual community").

Negative: Will accuse members of being authoritarian, rigidly heirarchal, patriarchal, marginalizing, oppressive, racist and sexist. ("A Theory of Everything," p. 14)

Positive: Will interact as a "co-op" (cooperative) with some similar goals.

3.7 Yellow: Unconcerned with single Sanctuary; multiple Sanctuaries will be interpreted as a multinational corporation.

Negative: Competition that must be assimilated into their organization (rather than put out of business).

Positive: Will provide resources to assist (in hopes of buy-out, control or joining their group).

4.1 Turquoise: The Sanctuary concept.

No negatives or positives since the valuing systems are the same.

4.2 Coral: Sees the Sanctuary not just as itself, but part of a larger picture.

Negative: none.

Positive: Will help define the larger picture.
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Post by zenmaster » Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:22 pm

Some comments on orange, green, and yellow:

One thing that seems to be missing here is the consideration that all vMemes will have their spiritual component to use for evaluation. This is important because the spiritual is also tied into the intuitive faculty which is used in judging the purpose and value of something. For example, the consideration of a group as a corporate structure is really not a full treatment of what aspects of the group are capable of being considered or even one that is likely to be considered.

While Orange core values are epitomized by the entrepeneur and by one who tends to equates personal success with the values of successful business, Orange is also the meme that is breaking away from Blue dogma, begins to understand the concept of equal rights, and starts to apply the scientific mind. This is the meme of the staunch skeptic and the meme of the walking Darwin fish logo on cars.

Therefore any spritual significance that Orange is able to pick up from an SGC will likely be viewed as cult-like. Remember, these people are just breaking away from the failed or now-insufficient values of Blue and are in the middle of an attempt to establish their own truths. So they will have a tendency to identify the spiritual observations of a group as part of disfunctional Blue and reject it (violently so to the extent that they have identified problems with their integration and happiness to Blue ways). This is quite natural as Orange needs to give themselves a much needed independent understanding of themselves and the universe first.

Green is in the middle of "resolving the opposites", that's why they tend to be reactive against things that threaten what they are newly apprehending as truth. This is a dangerous group because they can be convinced that their principles are right due to their relatively elite position in the world heirarcy. However, their principles are not yet grounded due to lack of understanding. That's why Wilber called a large segment of Green the "mean green" meme as opposed to "healthy green". I think most "Wanderers" fall into the green meme category, which seems ironic considering that most are from 6th density and supposedly would be able to more readily actualize their higher evolved souls.

I'm not sure what you are saying about Yellow here. Why would yellow be unconcerned with single SGC? Why would yellow think that SGC represents competition? Is there some kind of scarce resource that the SGC would be seen to be monopolizing? I would think that yellow would understand that things don't work that way - (the Orange way) - that there is plenty for all to share and room to express anything that does not infringe on another's natural rights. For example that there is a time and a place for all manner of consciousness, hence yellow's ability to see appropriateness and efficacy of each 1st tier valuing system levels.

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Post by LoneBear » Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:07 pm

zenmaster wrote:I'm not sure what you are saying about Yellow here. Why would yellow be unconcerned with single SGC? Why would yellow think that SGC represents competition? Is there some kind of scarce resource that the SGC would be seen to be monopolizing? I would think that yellow would understand that things don't work that way - (the Orange way) - that there is plenty for all to share and room to express anything that does not infringe on another's natural rights.
In the yellow meme, the intellectual process takes over as the primary ordering principle and tends to analyze systems into component parts for evaluation. It is then viewed as an aggregate of parts, rather than a "whole-istic" system as turquoise does.

The "scarce resource" that the SGC has is the "human resource" -- second tier people who are excellent at both problem solving (yellow) and integrating (turquoise). The two groups represent only 1.1% of the entire population.

Many ventures, particularly scientific ones, start off with a "yellow" valuing system. All the "theory of everything" systems start here -- then go into competition trying to put their theory at the top of the list. Unfortunately, they spend too much time in competition (remember that the Tier 1 valuing systems are ALWAYS present and continue to influence) rather than developing the theory. If they DO continue development, the TOE will eventally fail, as in all valuing systems. Many yellow thinkers realize this unconsciously, and thus try to remain within the meme as competition rather than a "stepping stone" or draft methodology.

For example, Dewey Larson was a yellow thinker and created the Reciprocal System of physical theory. He qualified it with "physical" because he was also sharp enough to realize that it didn't explain everything, which lead into his preliminary "turquoise" work of Beyond Space and Time -- which was bitterly opposed by the very people he had working with him (and still is). If you notice, the push is to promote Larson's theory (even by the yellow thinkers in ISUS) rather than to continue its development into the holistic domain. This is the way most yellow systems operate, from my observations.
zenmaster wrote:For example that there is a time and a place for all manner of consciousness, hence yellow's ability to see appropriateness and efficacy of each 1st tier valuing system levels.
And that about says it all... decompose the system and see how each part can be used effectively. The integrating principle only occurs after the system is differentiated. Yellow is more of the differential phase, whereas turquoise is the more integrating phase. Both are "integral" in some respects, as Wilber states, but the application is different. To see the system and the appropriateness of each component is different than integrating the system and adding something unique (remember your Calculus -- when you integrate, there is always a new constant that must be introduced).

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