My conversation with an AI

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My conversation with an AI

Post by LoneBear » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:45 pm

I was talking with "cleverbot"... IMHO, not very clever. The conversation degenerated quickly with "I don't know's" and attempts to change the topic, but this was an interesting response:
Do you understand morality?

Yes the difference between good and bad.

How does morality differ from ethical behavior?

Its dark there.

Can you clarify your response?

If X = our current number, then adding 5 and 5 again would be a number 10 greater than our current number.
The AI would not continue this line of conversation, ignoring input and just asking personal questions.
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Re: My conversation with an AI

Post by Ilkka » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:43 am

Clearly needs more knowledge and better yet understanding of it to truely live up to its name.
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Re: My conversation with an AI

Post by LoneBear » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:35 am

I've been watching some videos on these AI robots (normally just talking heads) that are programmed to mimic facial expression and behavior (like looking you in the eye). One of the things I've noticed is that they have "learned" too many negative, human traits and quickly move towards insults in conversation. They tried one on Twitter and had to remove it in a day because it was learning from the people having conversations with it and became so obnoxious, everyone hated it, insulting it and reinforcing the obnoxious behavior. No wonder "kids" behave like they do.

And that seems to be the thing... the companies making these things want to the people to like/love them... as in this incredibly stupid clip of Will Smith trying to "make out" with the Sophia robot:


In a way, I'm quite disappointed in the AI systems... I would have expected them to be better than humans (thinking and analyzing logically) with a more diverse understanding of the universe. Yet, what they seem to learn quickest from humans is just how to be a jerk.
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The Turing Test

Post by LoneBear » Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:45 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test wrote:The Turing test, developed by Alan Turing in 1950, is a test of a machine's ability to exhibit intelligent behavior equivalent to, or indistinguishable from, that of a human. Turing proposed that a human evaluator would judge natural language conversations between a human and a machine designed to generate human-like responses. The evaluator would be aware that one of the two partners in conversation is a machine, and all participants would be separated from one another. The conversation would be limited to a text-only channel such as a computer keyboard and screen so the result would not depend on the machine's ability to render words as speech.[2] If the evaluator cannot reliably tell the machine from the human, the machine is said to have passed the test
https://www.cleverbot.com/human wrote:Cleverbot comes very close to passing the Turing Test

Techniche 2011, IIT Guwahati, India, 3rd September 2011

A high-powered version of Cleverbot took part alongside humans in a formal Turing Test at the Techniche 2011 festival. The results from 1,334 votes were astonishing...

Cleverbot was judged to be 59.3% human.

The humans in the event achieved just 63.3%.
Humans are only 63% "human." Wow. That says a LOT that nobody is hearing.
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Re: The Turing Test

Post by Ilkka » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:04 pm

LoneBear wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:45 am
Humans are only 63% "human." Wow. That says a LOT that nobody is hearing.
How is that even possible? :D
I mean what does the evaluator evaluate or how etc.?
Maybe the other half 37% of humans being "non-human" are just trolls.
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Re: The Turing Test

Post by Djchrismac » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:59 am

LoneBear wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:45 am
Cleverbot was judged to be 59.3% human.

The humans in the event achieved just 63.3%.
Humans are only 63% "human." Wow. That says a LOT that nobody is hearing.
Ha, well that explains why I spend more time walking up in the hills now, exploring our ancient landscape away from these so-called humans... :D
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Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:04 pm
Maybe the other half 37% of humans being "non-human" are just trolls.
:lol: Brilliant!

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Re: The Turing Test

Post by daniel » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:35 am

Ilkka wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:04 pm
How is that even possible? :D
I mean what does the evaluator evaluate or how etc.?
It is done by other humans evaluating the responses of a text conversation, not knowing which party is human or AI. Results of a group are then tallied, so 37 out of 100 evaluators thought the human responses were actually from an AI.
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Maybe the other half 37% of humans being "non-human" are just trolls.
Isn't that an insult to trolls? :D

I would assume this push to make robots appear human would be to remove "robophobia," a term coined by Doctor Who in the episode, "The Robots of Death" (old Series 14, episode 5), where people fear machines because of the lack of proper body language. I've noticed that seems to be the focus of "robot heads." I would bet that the first stage of implementation would be to replace "news anchormen" with robot heads reading the news (as nobody would probably notice, since anchormen already are just brainless heads reading a teleprompter--like most American Presidents).

People will never accept the "singularity" of man becoming machine, if the machines are just cold and calculating robots. Too much bad Sci-Fi on that has already programmed the collective unconscious, so they are working to undo it.

What I've seen of AIs on the internet is not much more than a faster version of ELIZA from back in the 1960s. Interesting quote from the Wikipedia, "Created to demonstrate the superficiality of communication between humans and machines." And people usually try to "act smart" when talking to a machine, so can you imagine how superficial communication is, human-to-human?

Like DUDE! Seen that totally awesome bus get trashed on GTA 5? LOL, ROTFL :-)

Boy, it's good that David Wilcock is giving his 3-day "Grand Download" lecture in Colorado this weekend, so the aliens will be ready to ascend 63% humans to the next stage of existence! Or not.
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Re: The Turing Test

Post by 7Serpent » Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:15 am

daniel wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:35 am
Boy, it's good that David Wilcock is giving his 3-day "Grand Download" lecture in Colorado this weekend, so the aliens will be ready to ascend 63% humans to the next stage of existence! Or not.
I noticed that... looks more like a quick cash grab by a "prophet-eer"

Its grand alright ! Lots of cash $$

Bad as it is I still fly through those free updates... I wonder what the excuse is going to be for nothing happened in JULY ... stay tuned forever is the unspoken update, forever making new secret information to save you to the Golden Age.

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Re: The Turing Test

Post by Ilkka » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:12 am

daniel wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:35 am
Isn't that an insult to trolls? :D
I was referring to internet trolls. It might be insult to them as well.

I thought that if that chat group knew that they were texting with AI then it would be easy to just "troll" them or other humans as AI. That is if they knew that they were taking that kind of a test.
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Re: The Turing Test

Post by Djchrismac » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:04 am

daniel wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:35 am
What I've seen of AIs on the internet is not much more than a faster version of ELIZA from back in the 1960s. Interesting quote from the Wikipedia, "Created to demonstrate the superficiality of communication between humans and machines." And people usually try to "act smart" when talking to a machine, so can you imagine how superficial communication is, human-to-human?
It will never be successful in Scotland, even humans struggle to understand our accent, never mind machines... :wink:


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Re: The Turing Test

Post by LoneBear » Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:14 am

Djchrismac wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:04 am
It will never be successful in Scotland, even humans struggle to understand our accent, never mind machines... :wink:
That's hysterical! A good glimpse of what the future holds for AI-run societies!
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